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Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Puro on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:54 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Kruse looks good again,  has to work on his finishing though.

Puro,  what about a few youngsters? I'm no expert on fantasy football,  but I can imagine them to be rather cheap.
They're on the bench: Russ (FRA), Sobiech (HSV), and Daems (he's not young but was cheap, plus he's guaranteed starts)
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:57 pm

One thing is for certain, at least for now: Bayern under Pep are considerably less stable defensively. Even a good, but far from great side like Gladbach are exposing those cracks quite often.

This is a clear step back. Time will tell how long Bayern will need to find the right balance.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:59 pm

Kroos his the post, but Gladbach manage to counter and with a bit more composure, they could have scored.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:01 pm

Again, liking what I see from Kruse. Thanks fuck Thomas Schaaf for alienating another promising Werder youngster... Sad
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Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:07 pm

Wow, what a save by Ter Stegen vs. Müller. Was actually a good penalty, just a brilliant save.

And another penalty! OK, that was idiotic by Gladbach. Alaba scores, cool finish.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:27 pm

Ouch. Hertha totally owned Frankfurt today (6-1), which is a bit surprising considering how well Frankfurt did last season and Hertha just being back from 2. Bundesliga. Looks like Hertha will be at the top of the table for the time being.

Baumjohann looked like a world beater, had a number of assists and looked like the player many thought he could have become in his early days at Schalke.
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Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Ä on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:43 am

Ä wrote:ok

let's have it

prediction time again

give me your top four this season ?!

thus speaks the oracle

1. Bayer Leverkusen


2. Dortmund

3. Bayern

4. Schalke

as always

you heard it here first

and as always

Bernd, Blut  and Allez

will

not

have

seen

it

coming

Laugh
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/sport/fussball/bundesliga/3-1-gegen-freiburg-sam-und-son-erfreuen-leverkusen-12475439.html

Ihr werdet Euch noch an meine Worte erinnern

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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:19 pm

Aubameyang Ale Sad
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Post by Super Progress on Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:57 pm

Were Tottenham after him?
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:37 pm

Super Mourinho wrote:Were Tottenham after him?
 Couple of rumours but nothing concrete. I really wanted him though, think he is a better fit for Bale than Soldado.
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Re: Die Bundesliga 2014/15

Post by Ä on Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:03 am

ok , let's have it

stop dillydallying, blut, kroos, allez and fey

what are your PREDICTIONS for the top FOUR

blut, saying Bayern can win the title, then again, so can Dortmund, is of course right, but's it's hardly a PREDICTION now is it ? see what puro did, not so difficult me thinks
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Post by Kroos on Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:50 am

1. dortmund (they have now a decent bench, and a settled system)
2. bayern (it`s impossible to be as good as last season)
3. leverkusen (great gameplan, but some players have to stay fit for the whole year)
4. schalke (they have some weak points [fullbacks can`t defend, CM needs a better pair, clemens  ], but also some class in the attack) they played some shit yesterday, will be interesing to see how they will develop

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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:52 am

Bayern are the most likely winner due to their strong bench, they have one of the very best squads in Europe, something even Dortmund can't compete with, especially if Dortmund make it to the latter stages of the CL again, which I actually expect.

I expect Bayern to win the league, but it'll be much closer than last season. It's more like 55-45 in their favour over Dortmund, hence why I said that it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest in Dortmund won it. Leverkusen and Schalke won't win the league, they simply are not as good (first XI) and don't have the bench.
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Post by Axeslammer on Mon Aug 12, 2013 12:51 pm

Who the hell is Paul Verhaegh and how good is he ?

Apparently he's from Dietschen Bloed and Van Gaal has called him up for Oranje...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:26 pm

I don't know, sorry. I haven't watched much of Augsburg to really have an opinion of him. Augsburg are a side that puts a strong emphasis on the collective though, their only way to stay in the Bundesliga considering their rather meager funds.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:29 pm

It was a great first Bundesliga match day - 37 goals scored in 9 matches (4.11 goals / game on average), a ton of drama and some very entertaining matches. May it long continue...


Erster Spieltag: Herrlich, diese Bundesliga!

Was für ein furioser Start! Selten war der erste Bundesliga-Spieltag so spektakulär wie in dieser Saison. Fußball-Deutschland diskutiert über jede Menge Tore, kuriose Elfmeter und Entscheidungen der Schiedsrichter. Alle Aufreger der neun Spiele.
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga-erster-spieltag-bot-zahlreiche-hoehepunkte-a-916046.html
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Post by Fey on Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:26 pm

Ä wrote:ok , let's have it

stop dillydallying, blut, kroos, allez and fey

what are your PREDICTIONS for the top FOUR

blut, saying Bayern can win the title, then again, so can Dortmund, is of course right, but's it's hardly a PREDICTION now is it ? see what puro did, not so difficult me thinks
1 Bayern
2 Leverkussen
3 Dortmund
4 Hertha
5 Schalke
6 HSV
7 Stuttgart
8 Hoffenheim
9 Eintracht
10 Gladbach
11 Wolfsburg
12 Hannover
13 Nurnberg
14 Mainz
15 Freiburg
16 Bremen
17 Augsburg
18 Braunschwein

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(You Heard It Here First)

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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:44 pm

Hertha Berlin return with a bang but keep their manager up all night

Having been recently relegated after a good start, nobody at the newly-promoted club dared read into the startling 6-1 win

"Hey! Hey! Hey!" (as BZ put it) – Hertha BSC are back in the top flight. And so are the gloomy headlines. "Danger is lurking, the team's sense of reality could suffer a vestibular disorder," wrote Die Welt. The club's "well-known fundamental problem" had returned, attested Süddeutsche Zeitung. Berliner Kurier even feared that the newly-promoted team might have swallowed "a drop of poison" on the first day of the season. If not quite deadly, the experience was so unnerving that their Dutch manager, Jos Luhukay, spent the night after the victory tossing and turning in bed, waking up at 5am. "I didn't sleep well at all," revealed the 50-year-old.

It was nothing new, of course. Hertha supporters are used to emotional turmoil and a fair amount of capital punishment after two relegations in three years. Still, the exact nature of the weekend's worry was a huge surprise, as well as its accompanying numbers. In front of an ecstatic 54-000 strong crowd, Hertha beat Eintracht Frankfurt – last season's sixth-placed team – 6-1 to become the first league leader of 2013-14. "It's a wonderful day for [the city of] Berlin, a dream start for us and a fantastic atmosphere – that's living football," cheered Luhukay. It was the first time that Hertha had won their opening game as returnees to the league, the biggest win for any newly-promoted team on Match Day One and the biggest opening-weekend win in any Bundesliga season since 1974.

So why the talk of problems, danger and poison? Neither the manager nor the players seemed in any real danger of getting carried away, after all. "It's a nice thing for the fans," shrugged the captain, Fabian Lustenberger, when asked about Hertha's top spot. "If we get stuffed 6-0 next week nobody will care anymore." Some of the papers' concerns against an overreaction to the Frankfurt goal-feast were probably an overreaction themselves. But Hertha being Hertha, based in a city that has "a taste for megalomania" – as the former manager, Markus Babbel, put it – the general concern is quite understandable. BZ, for example, couldn't stop at hailing Hertha's performance as "a hurricane", they had to go the extra mile, too far: "6-1! Hertha can do [it like] Bayern, too," screamed Sunday's front page.

That remains to be seen. What they can certainly do is play a bit. All the pre-season talk had focused on Luhukay's perceived need to curb the side's attacking instincts. But rather than changing his tactical outlook, the manager has changed his personnel. Lustenberger, the inspiration behind a dozen blond curly wigs in the stands, has moved into the holding position from centre-back. In front of him, new signings Alexander Baumjohann and the outstanding Japanese international Hajime Hosogai (bought from Leverkusen) pulled the strings masterfully. In addition, the young US international John Anthony Brooks, – who scored the second – was composed at the back, Änis Ben-Hatira and Sami Allagui – who scored the third and fourth goals – were quick and incisive on the wings and the Colombian striker Adrián Ramos, – who scored the first and fifth – was clinical in front of goal. The game was already won when Luhukay brought on the attacking midfielder Ronny for a perfect end to the day. The attacking midfielder scored the game's last goal and was able to feel like an important part of the team again. In pre-season, Luhukay had openly criticised the 27-year-old's fitness problems; last season's key player had come back from his summer holidays with enough kilos for two Ronnies. "I'm not able to put him in the starting lineup," the Venlo-born coach said. Hertha will need him to get into better shape very quickly.

Sleep might have eluded Luhukay after the final whistle but he is not a man who'll start dreaming after this fairytale start. "When you hit the woodwork three times and score six, you got most things right, but not everything," he said. "Those who know me know that I won't be jumping on a table after a win." And the "champagne atmosphere" – as the Kurier called it – that engulfed the Olympiastadion on Saturday will probably intoxicate the city's media and public much more than the team itself. "Two years ago, we had 20 points at the winter break, and we still went down," warned Lustenberger. "We know where we've come from. We will continue to work hard, the manager will make sure of that."

At the same time, positive momentum can play a very important role, especially in a league that looks every bit as unpredictable behind the big beasts of Bayern (3-1 win over Gladbach) and Dortmund (4-0 at Augsburg) as last season. Frankfurt, for example, know everything about the power of a good start and good vibes. On Saturday, however, nothing went right for Armin Veh's team, the stats aside. The visitors came out on top in all categories – apart from goalscoring. The 52-year-old generously blamed himself for the defeat, and pointed to his formation change at half time. At 2-1 down – the veteran Alex Meier had halved the deficit with a penalty – Veh switched from 4-4-2 to last season's 4-2-3-1. It made things worse. "I shouldn't have done that, it wasn't good, it didn't work out at all," he admitted. Next week, there's a chance for redemption, when Pep Guardiola's new, altogether more vulnerable Bayern are coming to town. "Easy," joked Veh. Another defeat will tempt Frankfurt's papers to ship in some of the concerned Hertha headlines from this weekend, but without the "getting carried away" bits. Four-fifths of this league seems so bereft of any natural order that last year's surprise package could well be this season's low-fliers. The notoriously dispassionate executive chairman Heribert Bruchhagen will certainly need no encouragement to raise a warning finger or two about local hopes being too high this season. If "Berlin could become the new Frankfurt," as Süddeutsche wrote, the opposite is true as well. Expectations and reality haven't always seen eye to eye at the Commerzbank-Arena, either.

Talking Points

• Revelations about three West Germany players from the 1966 team testing positive for a banned substance – broken by Der Spiegel in October 2011 – have reignited the debate about doping in the Bundesliga. On Saturday, Franz Beckenbauer admitted receiving "vitamin injections" as a player but distanced himself from a 1977 article in Der Stern, in which he had claimed that the lines between medical preparation and doping were blurred in German football. "I said that?" Beckenbauer wondered in Aktuelle Sportstudio, "maybe I have a doppelganger." Beckenbauer went on to say that he was never forced to take any unknown medication by a coach or manager but then contradicted himself: "I'm not a doctor, I have no idea. What is doping?" Rudi Völler also pleaded ignorance. "In the teams that I played for, these things didn't exist," said the former West Germany striker, who also played for Bernard Tapie's Olympique Marseille in the early 90s.

• "What was the Russian (Azeri) linesman on in 1966?" is perhaps the more pertinent question. Goalline technology – or the lack thereof in the Bundesliga was at the forefront of the debate again after Hoffenheim's Kevin Volland saw his perfectly good goal against Nürnberg not given. Call it: kein Vorsprung durch Technik. "It hurts me to see this," said TSG coach Markus Gisdol, "it would simply be fair (if we had electronic help)". Neither Volland nor the manager wanted to blame the referee Thorsten Kinhöfer or his assistant for the mistake. And in any case, Hoffenheim were the architects of their own downfall, having led 2-0 before Nürnberg rallied to snatch a point.

• Over in Munich, Bayern started with a 3-1 over Borussia Mönchengladbach. Trouble with the ultras made the atmosphere flat but the match was eventful enough. Two handballs by Alvaro Dominguez gave the home side two penalties within a minute or so – Thomas Müller had his attempt saved, David Alaba scored to win all three points for the home side. Before that, Arjen Robben and Mario Mandzukic had put Bayern two up within 16 minutes but a Dante own goal before half-time soon exposed the basic weakness in the current set-up. With Bastian Schweinsteiger holding the fort on his own, the back-four have very little protection and are forced into risky one-v-ones. "If we don't win these challenges, it's oh, oh, oh," said Dante. "We needed this win to have some quiet in the future," said Pep Guardiola, who seems to have picked up on some of the misgivings about his tactics.

• Almost as surprising as Hertha's demolition of Frankfurt was Hamburg's resistance at Schalke. Thorsten Fink's ramshackle outfit were 1-0 down within two minutes but fought back to gain a point with a draw. At the end of this "football festival with a spectacle of mistakes", Schalke could be thankful for the point; substitute Adam Szalai scored the equaliser to make it 3-3 after Rene Adler had spilled the ball.

• Borussia Dortmund kept their pre-season momentum with an emphatic win at Augsburg. New striker Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang was the star of the show with a hat-trick but BVB insider Freddie Röckenhaus concentrated on the Robert Lewandowski situation in his report for Süddeutsche. Apparently the club will voluntarily up his puny wages of €1.5m by another couple of million to keep him motivated for the rest of the season. Maybe an apology can be coaxed out of Luis Suárez in a similar manner?

Results: Bayern 3-1 Gladbach, Augsburg 0-4 Dortmund, Hannover 2-0 Wolfsburg, Braunschweig 0-1 Bremen, Hertha 6-1 Frankfurt, Leverkusen 3-1 Freiburg, Hoffenheim 2-2 Nürnberg, Mainz 3-3 Stuttgart, Schalke 3-3 Hamburg.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/12/bundesliga-blog-hertha-berlin
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:27 am

Interesting article on Menotti's football philosophy and the influence today, particularly in Germany (German):

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/international/1307/Artikel/cesar-luis-menotti-trainer-theorie-rechter-linker-fussball-argentinien-wm-1978-erbe-guardiola-loew-bundesliga.html
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:26 pm

Die bundesliga is officially not cool anymore.

I'm taking my football hipster self to the J-League.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:53 pm

Hah... good luck with that. I prefer not being 'hip', but I wouldn't say that the Bundesliga is anywhere near the 'mainstream' status of the EPL abroad.
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Post by Fey on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:38 pm

Bundesliga hip? It's the Burger King to the EPL McDonalds. Not the biggest but certainly not underground. Eredivisie is feckin White Castle hell its Febo!
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:43 pm

Yeah, well, compared to the Eredivisie everything bar the Icelandic league is 'mainstream'.
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Post by Fey on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:46 pm

And yet..the Burger King only won one more "Best Burger award" and that happened this year...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:47 pm

Get used to it, it's going to happen more frequently now. Plus, maybe even an "employee of the year" award here and there.

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Post by 110% on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:47 pm

Who the fuck cares about being a hipster? Watch a league because you like it, not because you think it makes you look cool. Caring about how cool you may or may not look, makes you uncool.

If you want to be a real football hipster follow me, not the J league. I once scored a left-foot volley with my left (weaker) foot from 35 yards. I am like the amateur chevanton, showing pieces of ridiculous skill almost by accident, and never repeating it. If I was physically able to play at the highest level I'd be as good as gatusso, but since I am not I occasionally swing my foot and score a wonder goal, and therefore am like chevanton, but with more skill.
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Post by Fey on Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:59 pm

Only the Burger King at Säbener Strasse is selling their burgers, the rest is still a bit meh.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:06 pm

A bit "meh" by reaching the CL final? Ah, yes.

If given more time, experience and resources (which will come in time if things continue to develop like they did in the past few years), I expect Klopp to win Dortmund another CL.
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Post by Fey on Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:23 pm

Well meh might be too much, but for sure they are most likely that double whopper with double cheese they had for a while. It tastes great, but deep down you know it only lasts a while same with Dortmund, I still expect them to collapse at any given moment now.

Still, Blut you havent given us your rankings. You think mine are accurate. I think this is a very realistic and non-biased standings I've made.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:39 pm

Bremen won't be relegated. Hertha a bit too high (but they could be the Frankfurt (surprise package) of this season), HSV too high, Gladbach, Wolfsburg and Mainz a bit too low.

Dortmund are stronger than Leverkusen, first XI and bench, plus better coach. The latter will play in the CL this season and will have to handle the extra burden it implies. Schalke's defence is suspect, at least as long as Papadopoulos isn't fully fit and Santana not integrated. But they have more quality up front and in the middle than most other Bundesliga sides.

Behind the top 2, it's really wide open this season though. Very difficult to make a prediction.

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