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PotY

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:45 pm

So, top 3 has been announced.

Ronaldo
Ribery...
and
Neymar's best friend Messi!

HSWHW and Robben were also really close I heard.
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Re: PotY

Post by Pras_tama on Tue Aug 06, 2013 7:11 pm

No Schweinsteiger?
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:02 pm

It would be a travesty of Ribery didn't win it. Knowing them, he likely won't.

Ribery was one of the best and most consistent performers of the treble winning Bayern side and would totally deserve it.
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:16 pm

Btw., what the hell did Ronaldo do last season to justify him bring in the top 3? Unlike Messi who at least won the league and broke a few records again, he won shit, nada. And he scored less than usual even, the only reason he even makes these lists.

Fucking popularity contest.
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Re: PotY

Post by Cristiano on Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:21 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:It would be a travesty of Ribery didn't win it. Knowing them,  he likely won't.

Ribery was one of the best and most consistent performers of the treble winning Bayern side and would totally deserve it.

Then it's going to be a travesty. The only thing Ribery can hope for is beating Ronaldo to second.
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Re: PotY

Post by Jaime on Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:53 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Btw.,  what the hell did Ronaldo do last season to justify him bring in the top 3? Unlike Messi who at least won the league and broke a few records again,  he won shit,  nada. And he scored less than usual even,  the only reason he even makes these lists.

Fucking popularity contest.

To be fair he was the top scorer in the Champions League last year.

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Re: PotY

Post by 110% on Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:16 am

blutgraetsche wrote:It would be a travesty of Ribery didn't win it. Knowing them,  he likely won't.

Ribery was one of the best and most consistent performers of the treble winning Bayern side and would totally deserve it.

Ribery was kind of underwhelming in the CL for me. He spent most of the final trying to start a fight with lewandowski for example (he did the backheel that led to the winning goal, but I give most of the credit to robben for that). Barca on the other hand were pretty shit in the CL except for Messi, and were hammered by bayern mainly because he was injured.
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 07, 2013 8:50 am

Barca were underwhelming in the CL with Messi playing also,  the only exception being the return match vs. Milan.

I'm pretty sure that even a fully fit Messi wouldn't have made a difference against Bayern. Barca were outplayed, outthought and outmuscled. They couldn't (or didn't want to) play their pressing game that is crucial for their defensive stability. Plus,  Bayern pressed the crap out of them themselves and ruthlessly punished their frailties at the back,  while preserving their extremely strong defence that was the foundation of their success last season.

Ribery was one of the most consistent Bayern players last season,  in all competitions that is and not just the CL,  in contrast to Robben,  for example,  whose impact in the latter stages of the CL had quite a bit to do with Kroos' injury. Kroos,  who had a blinder of a season prior to his injury and kept Robben out of the first team for most of the season as a consequence.

Considering that Ribery is the most important creative player of Bayern,  his consistency is even more astonishing,  as that's arguably more difficult - providing creative sparks of genius on a consistent basis is something only few players can do.

He is a c**t and has a face like Quasimodo, but he's a brilliant,  brilliant player.

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Re: PotY

Post by 110% on Wed Aug 07, 2013 12:39 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Barca were underwhelming in the CL with Messi playing also,  the only exception being the return match vs. Milan.

I'm pretty sure that even a fully fit Messi wouldn't have made a difference against Bayern. Barca were outplayed, outthought and outmuscled. They couldn't (or didn't want to) play their pressing game that is crucial for their defensive stability. Plus,  Bayern pressed the crap out of them themselves and ruthlessly punished their frailties at the back,  while preserving their extremely strong defence that was the foundation of their success last season.

Ribery was one of the most consistent Bayern players last season,  in all competitions that is and not just the CL,  in contrast to Robben,  for example,  whose impact in the latter stages of the CL had quite a bit to do with Kroos' injury. Kroos,  who had a blinder of a season prior to his injury and kept Robben out of the first team for most of the season as a consequence.

Considering that Ribery is the most important creative player of Bayern,  his consistency is even more astonishing,  as that's arguably more difficult - providing creative sparks of genius on a consistent basis is something only few players can do.

He is a c**t and has a face like Quasimodo, but he's a brilliant,  brilliant player.

Messi was the difference against psg as well, even while carrying an injury. He was the only good player for barca, whereas ribery was one of several good players for bayern.

I don't rate ribery because he's never really impressed me personally. People tell me he's brilliant (but they say the same thing about players like benzema) and I just see a decent player that has the occasional great moment e.g. being average/shite for 89 mins of the CL final then doing a backheel. But I don't watch as much bundesliga as you, so he could well have torn up that league. Since Bayern won the treble, and if he was their best and most consistent player then I can accept that some people rate him, I just don't rate him as highly as them.

BTW has schweiny won the footballer of the year in Germany?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Footballer_of_the_Year_in_Germany
So how could ribery be the best player in the world if he is not even the best in Germany Wink.

Another thing, if we compare creative players Mata had 22 assists (and 17 goals), compared to ribery's 18 assists (and 11 goals), so he's better (and by that I obviously mean he's less of a c**t and less ugly Wink)
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:16 pm

But that's a rather inaccurate description of Ribéry. Especially under Heynckes, he became a very hard working player who actually never hides and is always invloved in the game, both in the attack and defence.

Two Bayern players are essential for the Bayern system to work - Schweinsteiger who pulls the strings and gives them structure and Ribéry who is the main creative player and the focal point in the final third. If either of them is missing (or both even), you can almost instantly see the consequences. Bayern look a lot less organised, structured and more vulnerable (Schweinsteiger) or more predictable and less dangerous / penetrating (Ribéry). It's no coincidence that the few matches Bayern lost or played underwhelming last season were when one of them was missing.

So yes, both would deserve the POTY title, just as both would deserve to be named footballer of the year in Germany. The other deserving Bayern players would have been Müller (ultimate big game player, consistent and unique - he's actually very close to the status of Schweinsteiger / Ribéry as far as his impact on Bayern's game is concerned - he adds a healthy dose of 'chaos' to the rigid organisation, the player to pull off the totally unexpected) and Robben (for his contribution and impact in the latter stages of the CL).
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Rest of the top 10:

4 Arjen Robben (NED) – FC Bayern München (57 points)
5 Robert Lewandowski (POL) – Borussia Dortmund (39)
6 Thomas Müller (GER) – FC Bayern München (38)
7 Bastian Schweinsteiger (GER) – FC Bayern München (32)
8 Gareth Bale (WAL) – Tottenham Hotspur FC (24)
9 Zlatan Ibrahimović (SWE) – Paris Saint-Germain FC (14)
10 Robin van Persie (NED) – Manchester United FC (10)

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/uefa-best-player-award/news/newsid=1978972.html#messi+ribery+ronaldo+best+player+shortlist

Schweinsteiger way too low, but what can you do, it's 'sport journalists', the same folk that created abominations like goal.com.

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Re: PotY

Post by debaser on Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:46 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Schweinsteiger way too low, but what can you do, it's 'sport journalists', the same folk that created abominations like goal.com.
what would be your top 10 order? Okay, Ronaldo gets too high on name/reputation but otherwise I don't think the list is too bad. 5 Dortmund/Bayern players in top 7 and it's hard for them all to be as high as you think they deserve!
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:45 pm

Lewandowski had a good season, but let's be honest, he's only that high up in the list due to the monster match he had vs. Real Madrid in the CL. It wasn't even his best Dortmund season and he wasn't the best Dortmund player even, Gündogan was.

Neither Zlatan nor RvP did anything of significance in Europe last season and don't deserve to be up there. Bale was great in England but not so much in Europe.

It's not about how many Bundesliga players make the list, but who actually deserves to be in the "best players of the year" list. Deserves it going by performances, consistency and impact, not by reputation and hype. I have a feeling that back in the days, these invidual awards were chosen more objectively, but maybe that's me.
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Re: PotY

Post by debaser on Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:20 pm

well okay, if they'd asked you to submit a top 5, what would have gone for? the ones down the bottom got pretty few points when you consider how many points were available (50odd voters all doing a top 5, with 5pts for 1st etc). It's always subjective - how do you weigh up the importance of having a monster game in the most impressive/important win of the season vs being more consistent overall. you can make legitimate cases for both.

also it's not only an award for starring in Europe, being great in the league is part of it too.
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Re: PotY

Post by Fey on Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:11 pm

An outrage that HSWHW didnt win it. He gave sir Alex the goodbye he deserved And look at the team he did it with. Outstanding achievement. And so underrated.

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Re: PotY

Post by 110% on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:24 am

xavi and iniesta not being on it makes the list less of a popularity contest and more based on achievments, e.g. RVP and IBRA were the top scorers in their leagues
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Re: PotY

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:08 pm

Just watch Ribery in the Bundesliga opener right now to see why he'd more than deserve it. That pass to Robben for the first goal,  that dribbling past three defenders on the tightest of spaces...  Magic

He's involved in everything dangerous Bayern create. Ugly,  unlikeable c**t but such an awesome player.

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