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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Xavier on Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:49 am

So Man City & Ajax will be in Pot 4 too?? My bad if they will be...
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:52 am

PSG may be in pot 3, because they are ranked #24 (Leverkusen is ranked #28), so if one or more clubs ranked higher than them miss the CL this season, which is very likely (e.g Inter), they'll be in pot 3, just.

Ajax and Man City will be in Pot 4.

Dortmund have much more reason to complain than Leverkusen to be honest. Made the CL final last season, ranked #18 and still in pot 3, just. If they were ranked just a bit higher, they would have made pot 2.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Xavier on Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:02 am

Yeah that is messed up too... won the Bundesliga twice in a row, made it to the final last year... certainly achieved more for themselves than most of the Pot 2 teams.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:06 am

Yeah, well, domestic performance is irrelevant for the UEFA team ranking, only European performance.

But if Dortmund and Leverkusen continue to qualify for the European competitions and continue to do well, they'll climb up that ranking in no time.

Leverkusen shot themselves in the foot by losing to Benfica last season (or rather not avoiding them by losing their EL group). It's considerably easier to gain coefficient points in the EL than CL.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Xavier on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:19 pm

Thought that domestic league placement played a role as well.... anyway


Kharkiv suspended from UEFA competition

http://www.dfb.de/news/de/d-champions-league/uefa-suspendiert-schalke-gegner-charkow/45760.html
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by debaser on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:29 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:PSG may be in pot 3, because they are ranked #24 (Leverkusen is ranked #28), so if one or more clubs ranked higher than them miss the CL this season, which is very likely (e.g Inter), they'll be in pot 3, just.

Ajax and Man City will be in Pot 4.

Dortmund have much more reason to complain than Leverkusen to be honest. Made the CL final last season, ranked #18 and still in pot 3, just. If they were ranked just a bit higher, they would have made pot 2.
I'm not sure the table you posted is the right one. You want the 2013 ranking: kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2013.html

current status is:

Seeding pot 1

   Germany Bayern MunichTH CC: 146.922
   Spain Barcelona CC: 157.605
   England Chelsea CC: 137.592
   Spain Real Madrid CC: 136.605
   England Manchester United CC: 130.592
   Portugal Porto CC: 104.833
   Portugal Benfica CC: 102.833

Seeding pot 1 or 2 (TBD)

   Spain Atlético Madrid CC: 99.605

Seeding pot 2

   Ukraine Shakhtar Donetsk CC: 94.951
   France Marseille CC: 78.800
   Russia CSKA Moscow CC: 77.766
   France Paris Saint-Germain CC: 71.800

Seeding pot 2 or 3 (TBD)

   Italy Juventus CC: 70.829
   England Manchester City CC: 70.592
   Netherlands Ajax CC: 64.945

Seeding pot 3

   Germany Borussia Dortmund CC: 61.922
   Greece Olympiacos CC: 57.800
   Turkey Galatasaray CC: 54.400

Seeding pot 3 or 4 (TBD)

   Germany Bayer Leverkusen CC: 53.922
   Denmark Copenhagen CC: 47.140
   Italy Napoli CC: 46.829

Seeding pot 4

   Belgium Anderlecht CC: 44.880
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:32 pm

You're right debbie, the last season's ranking is the correct one for the seeding of this season:

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method4/trank2013.html

Leverkusen being ranked #42 have even less to complain then.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:40 pm

Xavier wrote:Thought that domestic league placement played a role as well.... anyway


Kharkiv suspended from UEFA competition

http://www.dfb.de/news/de/d-champions-league/uefa-suspendiert-schalke-gegner-charkow/45760.html
The question now is if Schalke get a bye or if they have to play PAOK Saloniki instead, Huub Stevens' new club that was knocked out by Metalist in the earlier CL qualification stage.

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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by debaser on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:44 pm

Leverkusen have a decent chance of being in pot 3. they just need one of Razgrad/Sociedad/Fenerbahce/Pacos de Ferreira to win their qualifier and that'll guarantee 8 teams ranked below them

there's a table at the bottom here which shows what the pots will be if all the highest seeds win the qualifiers:

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/seedcl2013.html
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:55 pm

Pot 3 or pot 4 doesn't make much of a difference though. A lot depends on luck. I remember how Dortmund had a relatively easy group in one of their first CL campaigns under Klopp despite being seeded much lower than Bayern, who ended up in the 'group of death' with Napoli, City and Villareal. Dortmund bottled their group, while Bayern won theirs.

Last season, Dortmund was in the group of death themselves which they won convincingly.

So neither an 'easy' group nor a tough one are reliable indicators for a successful campaign. I think that Leverkusen may actually do better in a tough group, when they are not expected to win and can counter the crap out of "big name" teams with their talented and pacy attacking players.

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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by 110% on Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:30 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
Xavier wrote:Thought that domestic league placement played a role as well.... anyway


Kharkiv suspended from UEFA competition

http://www.dfb.de/news/de/d-champions-league/uefa-suspendiert-schalke-gegner-charkow/45760.html
The question now is if Schalke get a bye or if they have to play PAOK Saloniki instead, Huub Stevens' new club that was knocked out by Metalist in the earlier CL qualification stage.

If they appeal to CAS, the suspension gets suspended until the hearing Wink

It happened to Fenerbahce (who were suspended):
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/champions-league-arsenals-opponents-fenerbahce-face-european-expulsion-8755315.html

Stupidly the hearing with CAS is not until the day after the match with Arsenal. So arsenal could lose and still go through potentially.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:53 pm

PAOK it is then, as UEFA has ruled:

http://www.sportal.de/uefa-legt-fest-schalke-spielt-nun-gegen-paok-saloniki-1-2013081429288600000


So Schalke will meet the team that is coached by their former manager Huub Stevens who was sacked not too long ago. Some pretty interesting side story there.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:00 pm

CL semi-final of 2005 rematch tonight. PSV-Milan. I can see PSV totally dicking Milan. Who havent had a competative game yet.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Romford Pele on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:03 pm

Celtic losing 1-0 to Shakhter Karagandy
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Murray on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:27 pm

Romford Pele wrote:Celtic losing 1-0 to Shakhter Karagandy
Sacrificing that sheep has really worked for the Khazaks.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Antarion on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:29 pm

Murray wrote:
Romford Pele wrote:Celtic losing 1-0 to Shakhter Karagandy
Sacrificing that sheep has really worked for the Khazaks.
And you have the most sheep in europe, so do something. NOW
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Kimbo on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:36 pm

Excellent. Dirty fucking sweaty bastards.


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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Murray on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:52 pm

2-0 to the sheep killers Very Happy 
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Jaime on Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:24 pm



Real Sociedad in Lyon!!!! cheers
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Post by Jaime on Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:46 pm

XI for Real Sociedad:

Claudio Bravo; Carlos Martínez, Cadamuro, Íñigo Martínez, De la Bella; Markel Bergara, Zurutuza, Xabi Prieto; Vela, Griezmann y Seferovic

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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Murray on Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:59 pm

Good news for PSV, Muntari is playing for Milan

PSV: Zoet; Brenet, Bruma, Rekik, Willems; Schaars, Maher; Park, Wijnaldum, Depay; Matavz


Milan: Abbiati; Abate, Mexes, Zapata, Emanuelson; Montolivo, De Jong, Muntari; Boateng, Balotelli, El Shaarawy

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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:01 pm

Good news for Milan, Bakkali didnt make it.

This could be one tasty match now, cause it's more even. I wonder if those hyped PSV youngsters can handle their own against such an untalented but very mature side.

Maher, Depay and Rekik are the ones you like to watch.
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Post by Jaime on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:12 pm

GRIEZMANN!!!!!

Probably will be playing in England next year Sad
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Jaime on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:19 pm

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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by debaser on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:26 pm

tasty!
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:32 pm

Ht 0-1. Psv clearly the better side though.
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Kroos on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:40 pm

omg psv should lead 7:1

as lineker would say: you don`t win anything with kids

this mahaer kid looks good
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:41 pm

Steve McClaren and Trevor Francis pale
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:47 pm

I don't even know where Karaganda is. Sad times for Scottish football...
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Re: CL 3rd Qualifying Round

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:56 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:I don't even know where Karaganda is. Sad times for Scottish football...
Looks asian to me...or they are the st pauli for asians..cause you dont gloryhunt them I guess.

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