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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:37 pm

You know your in trouble when the cluib with the most English players in the league are not an English club.

From last weekend:

Cardiff - 7
Norwich - 7
Southampton - 7
United - 6
Villa - 6
Palace - 5
Spurs - 5
Arsenal - 5
West Ham - 5
Liverpool - 5
Chelsea - 4
Hull - 4
Swansea - 4
Fulham - 4
Everton - 4
Stoke - 4
WBA - 3
Sunderland - 3
City - 2
Newcastle - 2

Pardew looks pretty silly now if you take his insults to arsenal into account.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:46 pm

Pardew doesn't buy our players. He looks silly because he's corrupt and incompetent, but luckily for him our french players bailed him out last season. <Ale> 
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:30 pm

Southgate's the new U21 coach. Not sure why.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Luis on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:40 pm

We're saved cheers 
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:44 pm

It just shows how seriously they take the U21s. Southgate had a short and poor management career with Boro, then he kissed Trevor Brooking's arse for a while and they give him this job as a reward.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by christmasborocooper on Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:03 pm

Shocking decision. After how he treated the youngsters here when he was in charge (just basically sold them or didn't play them).. It's ridiculous.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:45 pm

so I guess Ross Barkley is now the new saviour of England. in the new squad. as is Andros Townsend. two players with less than 20 PL games Erm


Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Celtic), Joe Hart (Manchester City), John Ruddy (Norwich City).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Jermain Defoe (Tottenham Hotspur), Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United), Ashley Young (Manchester United).
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by COTR on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:03 pm

debaser wrote:so I guess Ross Barkley is now the new saviour of England. in the new squad. as is Andros Townsend. two players with less than 20 PL games Erm


Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Celtic), Joe Hart (Manchester City), John Ruddy (Norwich City).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Jermain Defoe (Tottenham Hotspur), Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United), Ashley Young (Manchester United).
Are there any English Man U players not in the squad ? If so they must be pretty offended.

This squad actually looks ok, you could scrape a decent enough team together out of that lot (if you avoid most of the Man U players).
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:20 pm

I think only Zaha and the retired Ferdinand.

Alot of squad picks itself, but there's some dodgy choices: Smalling should never be there - ridiculous that he gets picked when he doesn't play regularly & others like Shawcross over-looked. Ashley Young also should have had to earn a return not just get picked as soon as he's back from injury, why not Agbonlahor who's been playing and on-form for most of 2013.

I guess Barkley is taken just for the experience of being with squad. Townsend could be useful sub so that's reasonable when we don't have a wealth of wide players on form. Sterling probably better off in U21s for now, don't think he's at the point where he should be in England squad regardless of whether he plays or is in form for Liverpool.

So I'd send a message to those not in their first team and switch:
Smalling <-> Shawcross
Young + Sterling <-> Lennon/Lallana/Rodriguez
Milner <-> Henderson
Defoe <-> Agbonlahor
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by S4P on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:52 pm

Not that any of them would ever choose the U21 squad over the senior team, but not convinced the likes of Barkley, Townsend and Sterling get much value sitting on the bench for 2 matches, being overlooked for players such as Milner.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:56 pm

S4P wrote:Not that any of them would ever choose the U21 squad over the senior team, but not convinced the likes of Barkley, Townsend and Sterling get much value sitting on the bench for 2 matches, being overlooked for players such as Milner.
If you send them to the U21s they're just going to get coached by Southgate though. tongue 
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:02 pm

S4P wrote:Not that any of them would ever choose the U21 squad over the senior team, but not convinced the likes of Barkley, Townsend and Sterling get much value sitting on the bench for 2 matches, being overlooked for players such as Milner.
I don't mind one of Townsend/Sterling as they are the kind of impact sub who could be useful in certain circumstances. v.little chance both would feature though, so I'd only take the one on best form (Townsend).

Barkley does seem a premature pick. I guess it depends on player personality as to whether being taken along for the ride at this stage in career is a useful motivator (this is what I could get regularly if I work hard & progress) or if it sends the wrong message (I've made it!).
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by S4P on Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:06 pm

Kimbo wrote:
S4P wrote:Not that any of them would ever choose the U21 squad over the senior team, but not convinced the likes of Barkley, Townsend and Sterling get much value sitting on the bench for 2 matches, being overlooked for players such as Milner.
If you send them to the U21s they're just going to get coached by Southgate though. tongue 
True, maybe it would be better to sit next to Red Nev on the bench for 2 games Yikes
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Fey on Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:10 pm

-------Ruddy-------
Johnson--Smalling---Cahill-Cole
----------Carrick----------
------Cleverley-------Wilshere----
BFotM-----Rooney-----BFotM

There! 2nd round WC!

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:00 pm

Would have picked Milner, or J Cole over Barkley.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:02 pm

Crap, Ben Foster out for up to 12 weeks. There goes England's one decent goalkeeper.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:05 pm

Di Caniooooo! wrote:Would have picked Milner, or J Cole over Barkley.
Joe Cole? Is this 2006? And I think even Brian has realised Milner is average.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by 110% on Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:19 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Di Caniooooo! wrote:Would have picked Milner, or J Cole over Barkley.
Joe Cole? Is this 2006? And I think even Brian has realised Milner is average.
Why would be the point of joe cole sitting on the bench anyway?

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by 110% on Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:20 pm

Fey wrote:-------Ruddy-------
Johnson--Smalling---Cahill-Cole
----------Carrick----------
------Cleverley-------Wilshere----
BFotM-----Rooney-----BFotM

There! 2nd round WC!
You're going to have to crowbar the captain, and england's best player in somewhere (I know Kimbo, I know Wink)
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:09 pm

We don't need to play Gerrard, we can just take him to a driving range, put some dummies in England shirts at the other end, and leave him to twat the ball towards them. He'll think he's playing a match.

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by 110% on Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:22 am

I knew Wink.

I am not the only one who thinks Gerrard is England's best player, the fans voted as they do every year:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21317914

Popularity contest blah, blah, blah ....
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:23 pm

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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Romford Pele on Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:55 pm

Win the WC in 2022 lol!

Delusion of the highest order. As long as we have coaches telling youngsters to "use it" and "hoof it", we're not going anywhere.

But yeah, same regurgitated BS. We need to be looking at 2026 at the earliest. Hopefully then, the graduates of St George's Park can show us something new - IF they have been coached properly. That would imply England have decent coaches to work with young people. *sighs*
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:01 pm

Hoddle & Waddle Ale

Though both of them hate the FA too much to actually help them out.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Luis on Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:07 pm

Hodgson England manager, Southgate U 21s manager.

Fuck off the FA; you are clueless.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Murray on Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:15 pm

There will only be about 3 English players left in the EPL by 2022, good luck winning the World Cup with them.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by Kimbo on Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:33 pm

Murray wrote:There will only be about 3 English players left in the EPL by 2022, good luck winning the World Cup with them.
That's Newcastle's fault, ask Gary Neville. I'm still waiting for the media backlash on Spurs for replacing all their English players.
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by The Chosen Glenn on Wed Sep 04, 2013 9:53 pm

Qatar 2022 is the perfect target.

The climate on the Arabian Peninsula perfectly suits the English disposition. We have an extraordinary group of youngsters who will reach their prime (see our recent U19, U20, U21 success, reaching the top 4 in the group stages at youth World and European tournaments) and we have altruistic, forward thinking coaches and executives who will put the needs of the country before their own. 

Roy Hodgson won the Swedish First Division no fewer than 7 times in the 70's and 80's, and been runner up in the UEFA Cup twice. He supports Man Utd. 

Gwegory Dyke, the man who while in charge of the bbc allowed ITV to get the Premier League highlights, meaning bbc1 showed a Lee Mack sitcom instead of Match of The Day, and we all got to watch adverts for Dixons. He supports Man Utd.

Prince William, the only President of the FA to have a rose named after him. He supports Aston Villa.

David Gill, the guy behind the sale of Man Utd to the Glaziers. He got his son in the first team squad. Incorruptible, he is no longer at Man Utd. His son is no longer a professional footballer.

Dream Team cheers
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:33 pm

will.i.glenn wrote:Qatar 2022 is the perfect target.

The climate on the Arabian Peninsula perfectly suits the English disposition. We have an extraordinary group of youngsters who will reach their prime (see our recent U19, U20, U21 success, reaching the top 4 in the group stages at youth World and European tournaments) and we have altruistic, forward thinking coaches and executives who will put the needs of the country before their own. 

Roy Hodgson won the Swedish First Division no fewer than 7 times in the 70's and 80's, and been runner up in the UEFA Cup twice. He supports Man Utd. 

Gwegory Dyke, the man who while in charge of the bbc allowed ITV to get the Premier League highlights, meaning bbc1 showed a Lee Mack sitcom instead of Match of The Day, and we all got to watch adverts for Dixons. He supports Man Utd.

Prince William, the only President of the FA to have a rose named after him. He supports Aston Villa.

David Gill, the guy behind the sale of Man Utd to the Glaziers. He got his son in the first team squad. Incorruptible, he is no longer at Man Utd. His son is no longer a professional footballer.

Dream Team cheers
I'm putting the champagne on ice already Bubbly Bubbly Bubbly 
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Re: The Next England Squad

Post by debaser on Wed Sep 04, 2013 10:40 pm

Greg Dyke: "I want to set the whole of English football two targets. The first is for the England team to at least reach the semi-finals of the Euro Championship in 2020 and the second is for us to win the World Cup in 2022."

what's the betting he retires around 2019, with a nice healthy pension and lots of backclapping on a job well done and talk of foundations being put in place.

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