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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Super Progress on Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:10 am

A dreadful game by us. Our midfield let us down although I feel Modric did what he could given that neither Di Maria or Bale were particularly effective upfront when they got the chance. Alonso was poor and Illarramendi got exposed in the sort of way I have feared he would for so long. His one role is too keep the ball, because his attempts going forward were poor, but he aside from some brief periods it seemed as if his abilities aren't up there for this type of football at this level. Had hopes after the last couple of games.
I'm not surprised that Dortmund were able to create chances at all but I'm surprised that we were not clinical enough to finish them off. All we had to do was conceede some men on the counter and close the game with a single goal. Bale/Di Maria/Benzema were not sharp and this made us suffer. Instead they could get steam based on our huge blunders. Reus is simply too fast for Alonso. About the only situation where Lassana could have been useful to us. With that said I don't know how much of this is down to the 3-0 scoreline from the first game.

Part of this is also that Dortmund's style really does not suit us(or any team I suppose) and neither Chelsea, Bayern/Man Utd, Atletico/Barca play similar to them. Bayern is the closet but they are not ruthless on the counter like Dortmund. So in a sense we won't meet anybody similar. I would be quite happy with Atletico/Barca and Chelsea is still the unfinished product even if they would like our style of football.

Big up to Casemiro, Carvajal and Coentrao. And Casillas as well...I gues. Erm 
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Cristiano on Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:55 pm

"I don't know what happened," the Croatian midfielder told reporters. "It may be that we were complacent because we won 3-0 and we started thinking it would be easy. I don't know.

"We need to learn from this match. We always say we need to learn but we never do.

"Of course we're happy we've reached the semi-finals but we aren't happy with how we've played, especially in the first-half," he said. We can't allow what happened in the first-half. But we improved and we are in the semi-final."

Modric.

He says something there that has irritated me for a few years now, too much bloody lip service from the players about how they are going to give it their all and fight hard to win the CL etc. Yet time and time again we manage to put in some ridiculous collapses. I'm sorry but this ain't Dortmund from last season, lot of people talking about how great Dortmund were IMO 70% was due to the shitty attitude of our players strolling about like they are 3-0 up against Rayo at home.  Commenters were on Dortmund's dick talking about how great the pressing was, it bloody wasn't when you got Alonso and Illaramendi turning with the ball 2 to 3 times before realising the ball because they want to do a fancy pass of course it's gonna be easy to win the ball back. The missed penalty was also a major lift for the Dortmund crowd  and players.

Now we will go back to hearing  it won't  happen again nonesense .

p.s The sooner we break up this Pepe and Ramos partnership the better and I use the word "partnership" loosely. Ramos is always one moment away from a red card or penalty. Pepe still hasn't learnt when and where to try and try to get the ball off the attacker. He often pushes up by himself trying a silly challenge gets turned and leaves a gap behind. Admittedly changing it this season wouldn't help but definitely next season.


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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Cristiano on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:28 pm

Super Progress wrote:A dreadful game by us. Our midfield let us down although I feel Modric did what he could given that neither Di Maria or Bale were particularly effective upfront when they got the chance. Alonso was poor and Illarramendi got exposed in the sort of way I have feared he would for so long. His one role is too keep the ball, because his attempts going forward were poor, but he aside from some brief periods it seemed as if his abilities aren't up there for this type of football at this level. Had hopes after the last couple of games.
I'm not surprised that Dortmund were able to create chances at all but I'm surprised that we were not clinical enough to finish them off. All we had to do was conceede some men on the counter and close the game with a single goal. Bale/Di Maria/Benzema were not sharp and this made us suffer. Instead they could get steam based on our huge blunders. Reus is simply too fast for Alonso. About the only situation where Lassana could have been useful to us. With that said I don't know how much of this is down to the 3-0 scoreline from the first game.

Part of this is also that Dortmund's style really does not suit us(or any team I suppose) and neither Chelsea, Bayern/Man Utd, Atletico/Barca play similar to them. Bayern is the closet but they are not ruthless on the counter like Dortmund. So in a sense we won't meet anybody similar. I would be quite happy with Atletico/Barca and Chelsea is still the unfinished product even if they would like our style of football.

Big up to Casemiro, Carvajal and Coentrao. And Casillas as well...I gues. Erm 

I would Isco aswell, not that he done anything spectacular but he showed great composure in how he kept possession disturbing Dortmund's momentum. Casemiro and Isco played like they were the experienced heads in the team.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Wed Apr 09, 2014 1:37 pm

I don't know if it was complacency so much as it was that Dortmund came out buzzing, they had great support from the crowd, and they were basically in a do or die situation. They had to go for it and as a result we were under a tremendous amount of pressure from the start. The midfield did not respond well at all. Modric was insisting on dribbling out of the back third through crowds of players and kept losing it, Alonso and Illarra were giving the ball away every second.

I think missing Ronaldo is as much psychological as anything. I think the players feel more confident with him on the pitch and likewise the Dortmund players did not fear the counter nearly as much when the main outlet was Bale. Plus it changed the system and the team has playing so well in the revamped 4-3-3 but Di Maria was not occupying Ronaldo's position as a wide forward so it may have taken the players out of their comfort zone.

Still, both of the Dortmund goals came from big errors on our part which I think someone mentioned in the CL thread. Of course they had some other big chances but to be fair, so did we. Benzema and Bale were both guilty of missing chances and you could argue that Hummels tackle on Benzema deserved a penalty as well (I think it was 50-50 at best but it is there).

If Di Maria scores the penalty it's over (and he did slip just as he was about to strike the ball). If Ronaldo had been there he would have certainly scored the penalty and it would have been over.

I agree with Super that the style of Dortmund really gives us problems and beyond that RM never wins in Germany: 2 wins in 27 Champions League matches in Germany. Unbelievable record.

Anyhow, last year Dortmund really struggled in the 1/4 final against Malaga and were very nearly knocked out. Malaga really had them on the ropes and Dortmund were lucky to survive. But then they found their stride in the semifinals and made the final so I don't think the second leg performance (without our best player) is necessarily indicative of how the semifinals will go.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Super Progress on Wed Apr 09, 2014 4:43 pm

Cristiano wrote:"I don't know what happened," the Croatian midfielder told reporters. "It may be that we were complacent because we won 3-0 and we started thinking it would be easy. I don't know.

"We need to learn from this match. We always say we need to learn but we never do.

"Of course we're happy we've reached the semi-finals but we aren't happy with how we've played, especially in the first-half," he said. We can't allow what happened in the first-half. But we improved and we are in the semi-final."

Modric.

He says something there that has irritated me for a few years now, too much bloody lip service from the players about how they are going to give it their all and fight hard to win the CL etc. Yet time and time again we manage to put in some ridiculous collapses. I'm sorry but this ain't Dortmund from last season, lot of people talking about how great Dortmund were IMO 70% was due to the shitty attitude of our players strolling about like they are 3-0 up against Rayo at home.  Commenters were on Dortmund's dick talking about how great the pressing was, it bloody wasn't when you got Alonso and Illaramendi turning with the ball 2 to 3 times before realising the ball because they want to do a fancy pass of course it's gonna be easy to win the ball back. The missed penalty was also a major lift for the Dortmund crowd  and players.

Now we will go back to hearing  it won't  happen again nonesense .

p.s The sooner we break up this Pepe and Ramos partnership the better and I use the word "partnership" loosely. Ramos is always one moment away from a red card or penalty. Pepe still hasn't learnt when and where to try and try to get the ball off the attacker. He often pushes up by himself trying a silly challenge gets turned and leaves a gap behind.  Admittedly changing it this season wouldn't help but definitely next season.
Our central defence with Pepe+Ramos is never safe as you say. The strange thing is that most of the goals by Dortmund against during the semi and yesterday came from random sources or very very clear mistakes.

I'm sure they are partly complacent but to be honest I think we would have struggled even if this game had been completely open from the beginning. Their way of playing is always what I feared most and I hoped that with lesser players they would be less able to impliment it but you have to give it up to Klopp. With regards to Alonso and Illarramendi the problems are different. Alonso is getting old and he was never agile any way so Dortmund are particularly hard for him. Illarramendi is physically suited but his talent seems more limited and he tends to dribble into trouble.



Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:A dreadful game by us. Our midfield let us down although I feel Modric did what he could given that neither Di Maria or Bale were particularly effective upfront when they got the chance. Alonso was poor and Illarramendi got exposed in the sort of way I have feared he would for so long. His one role is too keep the ball, because his attempts going forward were poor, but he aside from some brief periods it seemed as if his abilities aren't up there for this type of football at this level. Had hopes after the last couple of games.
I'm not surprised that Dortmund were able to create chances at all but I'm surprised that we were not clinical enough to finish them off. All we had to do was conceede some men on the counter and close the game with a single goal. Bale/Di Maria/Benzema were not sharp and this made us suffer. Instead they could get steam based on our huge blunders. Reus is simply too fast for Alonso. About the only situation where Lassana could have been useful to us. With that said I don't know how much of this is down to the 3-0 scoreline from the first game.

Part of this is also that Dortmund's style really does not suit us(or any team I suppose) and neither Chelsea, Bayern/Man Utd, Atletico/Barca play similar to them. Bayern is the closet but they are not ruthless on the counter like Dortmund. So in a sense we won't meet anybody similar. I would be quite happy with Atletico/Barca and Chelsea is still the unfinished product even if they would like our style of football.

Big up to Casemiro, Carvajal and Coentrao. And Casillas as well...I gues. Erm 

I would Isco aswell, not that he done anything spectacular but he showed great composure in how he kept possession disturbing Dortmund's momentum. Casemiro and Isco played like they were the experienced heads in the team.
 Isco wasn't bad but he wasn't that great either but he did help the team keep the ball as you said which was really important. The problem as I see it was that he was ineffective offensively. Like Illarramendi he seemed too slow and rarely beat his man. He should have played in midfield with Di Maria continuing on the wing. We needed speed on the counter and possession in midfield. But I get that Ancelotti wanted to back to the ideal formation for the team.


@Jaime
We had settled the game quite well by the time of penalty but the miss envigorated them and the fans. The midfield was unable to stamp their authority on the game.

Ultimately my concern is that when we tried to sit back we didn't do a great job at all. Few teams,if any, are able to play at that tempo with that pressing style. But do we trust the central defence? Can we trust Illarramendi at this level? On a good note our fullbacks did well and their crosses aimed at Carvajal didn't work at all. Unlike Marcelo Carvajal can actually learn from his defensive mistakes. He has already improved from the beginning of the season.

Carvajal>>>>>>>>>>Marcelo

Ancelotti should take a page out of Mourinho last year and stick with Coentrao for the big games. Coentrao goes forward in a way we actually need by keeping the width and finding space by the touchline and getting crosses. Marcelo has better tools but he seems insistent on cutting nowadays which just screws things up anyway. Also with Di Maria exploiting the room Ronaldo leaves behind we don't need such an offensive fullback as Marcelo who will cost defensively. The trade off is not worth it.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Fey on Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:47 pm



This pic keeps cheering me up! Silly Messi!
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

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He is missing his hat though
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:31 am

Fey wrote:

This pic keeps cheering me up! Silly Messi!

Nah mate, that's his other dog, Figo.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by The Easter Bunny on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:33 am

Just wondering what are your guys opinion on the Iker situation, I thought he would of been back in the first 11 by now, but Lopez seems to be playing well. Is something going on behind the scene, anyone trying to oust him out the club/ fallen out with an important suit? And do you guys think he could realistically leave in the summer?
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:36 am

Super Progress wrote:
Cristiano wrote:"I don't know what happened," the Croatian midfielder told reporters. "It may be that we were complacent because we won 3-0 and we started thinking it would be easy. I don't know.

"We need to learn from this match. We always say we need to learn but we never do.

"Of course we're happy we've reached the semi-finals but we aren't happy with how we've played, especially in the first-half," he said. We can't allow what happened in the first-half. But we improved and we are in the semi-final."

Modric.

He says something there that has irritated me for a few years now, too much bloody lip service from the players about how they are going to give it their all and fight hard to win the CL etc. Yet time and time again we manage to put in some ridiculous collapses. I'm sorry but this ain't Dortmund from last season, lot of people talking about how great Dortmund were IMO 70% was due to the shitty attitude of our players strolling about like they are 3-0 up against Rayo at home.  Commenters were on Dortmund's dick talking about how great the pressing was, it bloody wasn't when you got Alonso and Illaramendi turning with the ball 2 to 3 times before realising the ball because they want to do a fancy pass of course it's gonna be easy to win the ball back. The missed penalty was also a major lift for the Dortmund crowd  and players.

Now we will go back to hearing  it won't  happen again nonesense .

p.s The sooner we break up this Pepe and Ramos partnership the better and I use the word "partnership" loosely. Ramos is always one moment away from a red card or penalty. Pepe still hasn't learnt when and where to try and try to get the ball off the attacker. He often pushes up by himself trying a silly challenge gets turned and leaves a gap behind.  Admittedly changing it this season wouldn't help but definitely next season.
Our central defence with Pepe+Ramos is never safe as you say. The strange thing is that most of the goals by Dortmund against during the semi and yesterday came from random sources or very very clear mistakes.  

I'm sure they are partly complacent but to be honest I think we would have struggled even if this game had been completely open from the beginning. Their way of playing is always what I feared most and I hoped that with lesser players they would be less able to impliment it but you have to give it up to Klopp. With regards to Alonso and Illarramendi the problems are different. Alonso is getting old and he was never agile any way so Dortmund are particularly hard for him. Illarramendi is physically suited but his talent seems more limited and he tends to dribble into trouble.



Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:A dreadful game by us. Our midfield let us down although I feel Modric did what he could given that neither Di Maria or Bale were particularly effective upfront when they got the chance. Alonso was poor and Illarramendi got exposed in the sort of way I have feared he would for so long. His one role is too keep the ball, because his attempts going forward were poor, but he aside from some brief periods it seemed as if his abilities aren't up there for this type of football at this level. Had hopes after the last couple of games.
I'm not surprised that Dortmund were able to create chances at all but I'm surprised that we were not clinical enough to finish them off. All we had to do was conceede some men on the counter and close the game with a single goal. Bale/Di Maria/Benzema were not sharp and this made us suffer. Instead they could get steam based on our huge blunders. Reus is simply too fast for Alonso. About the only situation where Lassana could have been useful to us. With that said I don't know how much of this is down to the 3-0 scoreline from the first game.

Part of this is also that Dortmund's style really does not suit us(or any team I suppose) and neither Chelsea, Bayern/Man Utd, Atletico/Barca play similar to them. Bayern is the closet but they are not ruthless on the counter like Dortmund. So in a sense we won't meet anybody similar. I would be quite happy with Atletico/Barca and Chelsea is still the unfinished product even if they would like our style of football.

Big up to Casemiro, Carvajal and Coentrao. And Casillas as well...I gues. Erm 

I would Isco aswell, not that he done anything spectacular but he showed great composure in how he kept possession disturbing Dortmund's momentum. Casemiro and Isco played like they were the experienced heads in the team.
 Isco wasn't bad but he wasn't that great either but he did help the team keep the ball as you said which was really important. The problem as I see it was that he was ineffective offensively. Like Illarramendi he seemed too slow and rarely beat his man. He should have played in midfield with Di Maria continuing on the wing. We needed speed on the counter and possession in midfield. But I get that Ancelotti wanted to back to the ideal formation for the team.


@Jaime
We had settled the game quite well by the time of penalty but the miss envigorated them and the fans. The midfield was unable to stamp their authority on the game.

Ultimately my concern is that when we tried to sit back we didn't do a great job at all. Few teams,if any, are able to play at that tempo with that pressing style. But do we trust the central defence? Can we trust Illarramendi at this level? On a good note our fullbacks did well and their crosses aimed at Carvajal didn't work at all. Unlike Marcelo Carvajal can actually learn from his defensive mistakes. He has already improved from the beginning of the season.

Carvajal>>>>>>>>>>Marcelo

Ancelotti should take a page out of Mourinho last year and stick with Coentrao for the big games. Coentrao goes forward in a way we actually need by keeping the width and finding space by the touchline and getting crosses. Marcelo has better tools but he seems insistent on cutting nowadays which just screws things up anyway. Also with Di Maria exploiting the room Ronaldo leaves behind we don't need such an offensive fullback as Marcelo who will cost defensively. The trade off is not worth it.

Coentrao is a much better option to Marcelo in ALL games. It's a shame he has been marked by the press. It's not his fault that he cost 35m.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:38 am

The Easter Bunny wrote:Just wondering what are your guys opinion on the Iker situation, I thought he would of been back in the first 11 by now, but Lopez seems to be playing well. Is something going on behind the scene, anyone trying to oust him out the club/ fallen out with an important suit? And do you guys think he could realistically leave in the summer?

Lopez is actually the one that has not been as sharp in the last month or so. Ancelotti was pretty clear from the start: Diego Lopez would play in the league and Casillas in the cup competitions. Casillas had a big hand in holding off Dortmund. It's a bizarre rotational system but so far it has worked out ok. Diego Lopez's agents said he is not leaving. Casillas recently said that he is not leaving. So it could be worse. We could have Pinto and Jordi Masip as our two goalkeeper options. Ale
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:08 pm

Looks like Ronaldo's injury is worse than we thought before. Could be a complete tear of the thigh muscle. He won't play against Almeria and there is a very good chance he will miss the final of the Copa del Rey. There is even a doubt that he will be available for the first leg of the CL semifinal.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Super Progress on Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:24 pm

A real shame that we don't have Jese now. Would have loved to see him play at this level. Now Isco will be crucial next week. I wonder how Ancelotti will play this. Will he keep Bale on the right and slot in Isco for Ronaldo? Di Maria on the right and Isco in midfield? Di Maria in midfield and Isco on the right? Bale on right and Di Maria on the left?

I'm assuming he won't consider Illarramendi for the final now given what happened against Dortmund. The advantage is that we can be flexible during a game with these 3 players.

Now Bale will have to deliver the goods and especially if Ronaldo is out for the first leg in the semi.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Super Progress on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:18 pm

Ok so we are getting a team that is most like Dortmund in terms of pressing which is unfortunate. I fear for our defence because Mandzukic will create havoc against Pepe and Ramos. And Bayern's weakness in behind defence will be harder to exploit without Ronaldo and with Benzema who is slow. We should take a page out of Moyes' book( Shocked ) and have Bale switch with Benzema a lot so we get to release him on the break. Di Maria on the wings wouldn't be bad either with Isco helping us to keep the ball in midfield. The only advantage of no Ronaldo is that they won't be able to use Lahm as effectively.

Would liked to see a defensive Jese who could track Lahm and break on the counter with speed. The pefect solution  Sad 
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:50 pm

Super Progress wrote:Ok so we are getting a team that is most like Dortmund in terms of pressing which is unfortunate. I fear for our defence because Mandzukic will create havoc against Pepe and Ramos. And Bayern's weakness in behind defence will be harder to exploit without Ronaldo and with Benzema who is slow. We should take a page out of Moyes' book( Shocked ) and have Bale switch with Benzema a lot so we get to release him on the break. Di Maria on the wings wouldn't be bad either with Isco helping us to keep the ball in midfield. The only advantage of no Ronaldo is that they won't be able to use Lahm as effectively.

Would liked to see a defensive Jese who could track Lahm and break on the counter with speed. The pefect solution  Sad 

It is probably the worse opponent we could have drawn. That said, they were not overly impressive against Man Utd. The clear thing is that we are going to have to win the 1st leg convincingly if we are going to have a chance to make the final. 1-0 or 2-1 isn't going to be enough going back to Munich.

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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Super Progress on Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:27 pm

The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Cristiano on Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:43 pm

Super Progress wrote:The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.

This is why it's irrelevant what happened against Arsenal and United, too much of a gap between the from 3 and the rest of the team without the ball. We always give the other team chances even in games we win convincingly.

Not optimistic at all, Bayern are more vulnerable than last year definetly but we are bloody worse.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:22 pm

Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.

This is why it's irrelevant what happened against Arsenal and United, too much of a gap between the from 3 and the rest of the team without the ball. We always give the other team chances even in games we win convincingly.

Not optimistic at all, Bayern are more vulnerable than last year definetly but we are bloody worse.

Just curious in what ways you think we are worse.
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Post by TM on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:33 pm

Terrible draw.

Ronaldo missing is a huge miss, considering RM have to win by a healthy margin at home to have a realistic chance of progressing.

However with Ronaldo injured, Ancelotti can play an midfielder who will help retain possession and stop the midfield being overrun by Bayern. The ideal player to do this would be Isco but unfortunately he's not on form.
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Post by Cristiano on Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:45 pm

Jaime wrote:
Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.

This is why it's irrelevant what happened against Arsenal and United, too much of a gap between the from 3 and the rest of the team without the ball. We always give the other team chances even in games we win convincingly.

Not optimistic at all, Bayern are more vulnerable than last year definetly but we are bloody worse.

Just curious in what ways you think we are worse.

In terms of conceding dangerous chances to the opposition, we are incapable of shutting teams out.
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Re: Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Post by Jaime on Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:31 pm

Cristiano wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.

This is why it's irrelevant what happened against Arsenal and United, too much of a gap between the from 3 and the rest of the team without the ball. We always give the other team chances even in games we win convincingly.

Not optimistic at all, Bayern are more vulnerable than last year definetly but we are bloody worse.

Just curious in what ways you think we are worse.

In terms of conceding dangerous chances to the opposition, we are incapable of shutting teams out.

I don't disagree, but this was an issue with Jose as well.
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Post by Cristiano on Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:11 pm

Jaime wrote:
Cristiano wrote:
Jaime wrote:
Cristiano wrote:
Super Progress wrote:The difference between now and last time we met them is that they won't be so cautious with regards to our counter attacks. And this will hold for both games probably so as long as we have that speed on the counter we can produce something. So in that sense I'm less afraid of it all being over if we go there with a draw or a slight victory.

They were not so impressive against either Arsenal or Man Utd. But the difference is that we won't play them in the same manner as they did. Ancelotti is infested with ideas of going forward which will make it easier for them to play their way. Our last classico will probably be a guide of the sort of open game we will play. I'm hoping for prudence but haven't seen evidence so far that Ancelotti is willing to be more pragmatic.

This is why it's irrelevant what happened against Arsenal and United, too much of a gap between the from 3 and the rest of the team without the ball. We always give the other team chances even in games we win convincingly.

Not optimistic at all, Bayern are more vulnerable than last year definetly but we are bloody worse.

Just curious in what ways you think we are worse.

In terms of conceding dangerous chances to the opposition, we are incapable of shutting teams out.

I don't disagree, but this was an issue with Jose as well.

Yea of course.
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Post by Super Progress on Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:22 pm

Much as I like Mourinho we were never able to press that well, repress or sit back in an organised form(Atletico style). However Cristiano is correct in the sense that we are more vulnerable and exposed this season because Ancelotti has opened the team considerably. We still have one wing consistently letting us down defensively but much as I want to blame this on a lazy Ronaldo it doesn't explain all of our holes. I never feel we are solid no matter how many men we have behind the ball. Take the Dortmund game where we defended heavily at times yet it didn't seem to help us that much or trouble Dortmund.

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We need Isco in there to help the midfield as you say. Bayern will swarm the midfield so a Isco coming deep to help us keep the ball will be good. That way we have 4 players who can help us retain the ball. Obviously Benzema has to perform some great hold up play and it will be about Di Maria surprising by floating on the left wing and Bale with his directness. The more independent we are of Coentrao+Carvajal the better because we can't allow Robben/Ribery to be free.

So that was the Mourinho approach which we won't play anyway. Presumably Ancelotti will go with attack as the best defence. Obviously I can't say anything good about such an approach but in truth Bayern would not be used to this at all. I do wonder how they would cope when they have to defend with the other team on the ball. But enough of me playing angels advocate
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Post by Cristiano on Sat Apr 12, 2014 1:49 pm

We certainly can't play like we did against Dortmund at home, yes it was 3-0 but had it not been for some shocking finishing from Dortmund they would have had atleast a couple of away goals. I have this feeling that we actually have to have a small advantage or be even going into the second leg to progress. If buy some miracle we have a huge advantage I just don't trust this team's atittude.
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Post by Super Progress on Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Benzema's passing in the last game




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These are the sorts of things that characterized Benzema at his best. He has to get back to scoring on a regular basis but the most important thing a confident Benzema brings to the team is showcased in that video.
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Post by Jaime on Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:03 am

That was pretty slick. But yeah we definitely need someone to score in Ronaldo's absence. WOuld be great if it was the Amish.
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Post by Cristiano on Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:34 pm

Super Progress wrote:Benzema's passing in the last game




 Shocked 

These are the sorts of things that characterized Benzema at his best. He has to get back to scoring on a regular basis but the most important thing a confident Benzema brings to the team is showcased in that video.

This is why I always preferred him to Higuain. I just hope he will be clinical tomorrow.
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Post by Super Progress on Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:04 pm


I belonged to Real' - how Andrea Pirlo agreed to join Madrid

This extract from Andrea Pirlo's autobiography, 'I think therefore I play', looks at how the World Cup winner came close to signing for the Spanish giants

Ahead of Wednesday's Copa del Rey final between Real Madrid and Barcelona, a look back at how los Blancos almost signed the midfielder in the aftermath of Italy's 2006 World Cup success. I THINK THEREFORE I PLAY by Andrea Pirlo is out now in paperback and ebook.

BOOK EXTRACT
By Andrea Pirlo

It's the summer of 2006, we've just won the World Cup, and I'm thoroughly drunk on life. I go out and about on my bike in the quiet little streets of Forte dei Marmi and, as I pass by on the seafront, people stop and pat me on the back.

They must have thought that beating France in the final had fried my brain, but there was something they didn't know. They were missing a vital piece of the story, namely that as things stood, I belonged to Real Madrid, not Milan. I was a Madrid player in my head, my heart and my soul. I had a five-year contract sitting waiting, and a salary that was out of this world.

It seemed that certain people at Milan had got themselves into one too many scrapes – or at least that was the story doing the rounds. Calciopoli was the second most popular topic of conversation back then, a close second to Italy's penalty shootout triumph in Germany.

One day you'd read that we were going to be relegated to Serie B, the next that we were looking at a 15-point penalty. The next again they'd be talking about us handing back trophies and having our titles removed from the record books. After a while I began to suspect that it wasn't Mark David Chapman who killed John Lennon. It had been one of the Milan directors.

The whole thing was an absolute shambles. Nobody had a clue what was going on and what Milan's fate would actually be, least of all me. One thing I was sure of, though: I would never drop down to Serie B. And if I had to leave, I wouldn't feel like a traitor. There was no way I was going to pay for other people's sins, if that's what they turned out to be.

The Madrid coach Fabio Capello phoned. And then Franco Baldini, their director of football. Everyone wanted to speak to me. I had a word with my agent, Tullio Tinti, and asked him to find out what Milan were saying about it all.

Shortly after, I was due back at Milanello. To make the Champions League proper, we had to get through a qualifier against Red Star Belgrade. At that point Tullio said to me: "Hold off on going back. Let me speak to Real. If you really want a change of scene from Forte dei Marmi, head back to your house in Brescia. And keep your mobile on – in a little while you'll get a call."

No sooner had he said it than the phone started ringing. Nostradamus was a mere amateur compared to our Tullio.

"Hello Andrea, it's Fabio Capello here." Only one of the most successful coaches in the history of the sport.

"Hello, coach. How are you?"

"I'm great, and I imagine you're even better. Come and join us. We've just signed Emerson from Juventus and you're the man to play beside him in midfield."

"Okay then."

He didn't need much time to convince me. Less than a minute, I reckon. Not least because I'd already seen the contract. My agent had studied it in great detail and then shot off to Madrid.

"Andrea, we're on."

"I'm really happy about that, Tullio."

I pictured myself in that white jersey. Pristine, and at the same time aggressive; a mean streak running through its unusual purity. My thoughts often wandered to the Santiago Bernabeu, the Temple, a ground that struck terror into opponents. Bruised and battered slaves at the king's banquet.

"What do we do now then, Tullio?"

"Let's go for lunch in a few days."

"Where? Meson Txistu in Plaza de Angel Carbajo?"

"No, Andrea; not Madrid. Milanello."

"What do you mean 'Milanello'? Are you stupid?"

"Nope, you heard right: Milanello. We haven't got Galliani's approval yet."

The menu was always the same: I knew it off by heart. Antipasto, starter, main course and then the legendary ice cream with crunchy bits on top.

We met in the room used for team meals, halfway between the kitchens and the hall with the hearth where Berlusconi would pound away on the piano and tell various kinds of jokes.

Tullio spoke first. "Andrea's going to sign for Real."

Then me: "Yes…"

Then it was Galliani, staring straight at me. "Andrea, my friend, you're not going anywhere."

He pulled out a little case from under the table. That made me smile, thinking it had been just as well hidden as Monica Lewinsky under Bill Clinton's desk in the Oval Office.

A contract then appeared from the case, with Mr Biro (Galliani) adding, "You're not leaving, because you're going to sign this. It's for five years, and we've left the salary details blank so you can write in whatever you like."

Tullio just about ripped it out of my hands. "I'll keep hold of this."

He took his time, brought it home, read it and read it again. I went off to the national team training camp at Coverciano and, for a few days, I didn't hear anything. I thought it was a done deal: I was thinking in Spanish, dreaming in Spanish. My imagination was in overdrive, flying off to Madrid and landing somewhere between Plaza Mayor and Puerta del Sol.

And then my agent phoned me.

"Sign for Milan. Right now, they'll not let you leave."

"No…"

"Yes."

"Ok, fine."

You're then forced to tell the media a lot of crap; provided, of course, that they manage to ask you the right question. If they enquire whether it's right you'd practically signed for Madrid, you're duty-bound to respond hiding behind well-worn clichés and half-truths. You read a dull, lifeless script written by press officers with no talent or creative spark.

"No, that's not the case. I'm perfectly happy at Milan."

F*** off!

It's a pity it went the way it did. I'd have signed for Real in a heartbeat. They're a club with more glamour than Milan; more prospects, more appeal, more everything. They strike fear in their opponents, whoever they happen to be.

All that said, at the end of the season I had the consolation of winning the Champions League. It could have gone a lot worse.
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Unfortunately we missed out on my holy Italian triumvirat of Totti, Pirlo and Cassano. 1/3 is not bad but Cassano never really got settled and nor was he serious. Albeit Capello benched him unfairly just as he started to come through.
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Post by Jaime on Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:48 pm

Around 2002-03 I really did think that Florentino was going to sign Totti. I was convinced he was the next galactico.

Pirlo would have been nice. But we won the league with Capello (in spite of Diarra and Ernesto) so I guess things turned out ok in the end.
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Post by Jaime on Wed Apr 16, 2014 1:54 pm



Not sure if I agree with this list but anyhow, in honor of the Copa del Rey final.

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