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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:24 pm

Torres was on fire for a few years while Spain where also winning everything in sight. Not exactly hard to see why he was rated so highly Pierre.

White players are more skilful and technical (obviously there are exceptions so please don't jump on that and quote back one or two examples) so it isn't surprising that more will be more highly rated. Drogba got by mainly on brute force and determination which worked perfectly in the sort of side Mourinho had built. Even then his numbers aren't prolific enough to be considered one of the greats. He got exactly the adulation and praise he merited for making the most of his ability.

You had a point when you say black players aren't as marketable but I don't really see the linkage between this and judging a player's ability. Torres has been called shit pretty much since he turned to shit. It's calling a spade a spade.

P.S Can you really keep a straight face when saying that last line ?

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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:27 pm

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Then why are we always getting untalented black celebrities shoved down our throats?

We get 5x as many white ones to tbf.

It's a mostly white country, even though Lenny Henry thinks this is Jamaica.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:37 pm

Drogba's goals at Everton, home to Liverpool and Spurs in FA Cup semi are all about brute force - Geoff Capes hits them all the time in training.

Drogba's numbers aren't prolific because he played for Chelsea - they don't create.

Look at all the strikers who flopped at chelsea in the last decade and more - that's what happens when you have attacking midfielder's who arrive in the box to score rather than create.

Its why no one is ever prolific playing in front of Nolan and why Yakubu was prolific except for when he played for Moyes in front of the creative genius of Fellaini and Cahill.

Its not racist to say that white players are more talented.

Michael Johnson says that black people aren't faster than whites - people with certain structure are quicker and blacks more likely to have that structure.

The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

People who say female comedians are generally shit but there are some good ones aren't sexist - people who think all female comedians are shit are sexist.

People who think white players are generally more talented aren't racist - people who think Torres is technically superior to Adebayor/Drogba probably are if they are not visually impaired.

COTR wrote:

You had a point when you say black players aren't as marketable but I don't really see the linkage between this and judging a player's ability

I've no doubt David Beckham and Simon Fuller would agree with you.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Rosicky on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:41 pm

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Then why are we always getting untalented black celebrities shoved down our throats?

We get 5x as many white ones to tbf.

86% of the UK is white. Go figure Ale
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:43 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

Asians, surely? European countries are the tallest in the world, look at the Dutch.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:51 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

Asians, surely? European countries are the tallest in the world, look at the Dutch.

They haven't been in to football as long as Europeans though - give them time + they will need to have some pace and power to compliment it.

Japan have one of the best midfields for posession but don't have a brute up front or at CB - they are great outside of the penalty boxes.

European countries may be the tallest but they will still have a lot more people who are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio than black countries.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:53 pm

This doesn't seem very scientific.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:57 pm

Kimbo wrote:This doesn't seem very scientific.

It isn't.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:59 pm

Drogba's game was built on brute force. If you are blaming the club he played for then fine but how can you then turn around and think he deserved to be rated higher by the public if he wasn't actually performing to the level he could be or producing the numbers other players were producing ?

He made the most of what he had and Chelsea were a perfect fit for him to showcase those abilities. Surround him with Barca's midgets and he wouldn't be half the player he was. Chelsea played to his strengths, whether you would care to admit it or not.

I'm sure Geoff Capes, whoever that may be has scored a few screamers in his time. I scored an unbelievable volley today. I'll send you a video the next time it happens !
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Super Progress on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:21 pm

Unfortunately I can't find much on soccer and genetics/biology. The best book on the topic is the new The Sports Gene but it hardly mentions soccer because the author is American. Here are the only bits I could find in the book

“In her occlusion tests of field hockey players, she found just what she had found in volleyball players, and more. Not only were elite field hockey players able to tell faster than the blink of an eye whether a ball was in the frame, they could accurately reconstruct the playing field after just a fleeting glance. This held true from basketball to soccer. It was as if every elite athlete miraculously had a photographic memory when it came to her sport. The question, then, is how important these perceptual abilities are to top athletes and whether they are the result of genetic gifts.”

“What we see in the shuttle sprints,” Elferink-Gemser says, “is that the ones signing a professional contract later are the ones that are on average 0.2 seconds faster when they are younger, at the age of twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen. They are always on a group average about 0.2 seconds faster than the ones who end up on the amateur level. That really gives some indication that it is important to be fast. You need a minimum speed.”

My best guess is that a footballer has to do more deep thinking* than others because the pitch is large and there are numerous players so you won't have the ball as much as say in Basket. It is non-stop which also pushes for individuals to think more because you don't have many breaks where the coach can tell you exactly what to do. I'm not sure about ideal body type. Seems obvious that latino players dominate so Northeuropeans might be at a slight disadvantage. Of course one problem is that football culture tends to think in generalized terms instead of specializing according to a players position,function and most importantly their body type. In contrast in the NFL they seggrate the players in training much more so.

*Football thinking that is
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Fey on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:37 pm

There will never be a black James for example, the reason for this is

1) Scouting. If clubs want a black player they go wild and act like they are on a slavemarket and always pick the biggest/strongest/fastest. There should be a rule that clubs arent allowed to buy black  players who have a 6 pack! Or are above 180.

2) They cant seem to think ahead. I think this is because black people are originally from africa, and with resources in plenty, why need to think ahead? From the beginning of time white people needed to think ahead, otherwise they would die during a winter.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:42 pm

A lot of shit is being written in this thread. Ronaldinho, one of football's most creative players ever, basically pulverises all those stereotypes about black players.

It's not the colour, it's the talent. Unfortunately, in the development of many African players there is a high emphasis on the physical side of things, if there even is any kind of coordinated youth setup at all. Creativity needs the right environment to flourish.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Fey on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:48 pm

He is a Mulato isnt he! We are talking about Africans here.

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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by 110% on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:50 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:A lot of shit is being written in this thread. Ronaldinho, one of football's most creative players ever, basically pulverises all those stereotypes about black players.

It's not the colour, it's the talent. Unfortunately, in the development of many African players there is a high emphasis on the physical side of things, if there even is any kind of coordinated youth setup at all. Creativity needs the right environment to flourish.

 <Ale> 

Also yaya's agent should have gone with Man City's arab owners being racist in order to force a move, because they probably are.

How is he going to feel in France when white guys like Ibra get voted Ligue 1 poty ahead of him?

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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by 110% on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:51 pm

Fey wrote:He is a Mulato isnt he! We are talking about Africans here.

Well you said black in your previous post, you know, black like Pele, the greatest player ever
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by shazlx on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:57 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Its like when people were falling over themselves to call Torres the best no 9 in the world whilst barely mentioning Adebayor and look at what Drogba had to do to earn anything close to parity with the white/latin players.
Well firstly, players who score more are likely to be rated higher than players who score less. Hence Torres was generally for a long time was rated higher than Drogba. There's no reason why anyone would mention Adebayor as one of the best center forwards in the world.

With respect to those three player (well just Torres and Drogba)
Torres has scored in the EC final and was playing for the strongest national team of that era. In addition to that, he was playing for a more famous club with much bigger media connections. Also his club team had better attacking moves which is what people see in the highlights.

Toure should have won player of the year ahead of Suarez - just another Henry, don't bother if you're not going to turn up for the big ones.

Saurez was as good in the big games as you could expect someone to be without scoring. And his performance in the big games were better than Toure

Pierre Littbarski wrote:People who think white players are generally more talented aren't racist - people who think Torres is technically superior to Adebayor/Drogba probably are if they are not visually impaired.
Depend what you mean by technical.

All three had a hit and miss first touch (with their feet) but Drogba's was best.
Only Adebayor was really very skilful but Drogba had his moments.
Torres easily had the best technique in terms for striking/passing/crossing and then Drogba a bit behind. Adebayor was totally unreliable.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sat Jul 12, 2014 6:58 pm

I remember Fey once half-jokingly stating that Whites are 2nd strongest, 2nd smartest.m

Football requires a wide set of skills - and as whites are the race with the most physical variations, this + the time spent in the game gives them a distinct advantage. Hence Europe & South American (also aided by race mixing) dominance.

Africa lacks genuine playmakers, Asia lacks the power & size. Europeans produce both physically dominant (Bale, Ronaldo, Prime Torres & Gerrard) & technically gifted players. Crouch, Mertesacker (tall & thin), Koller (tall & built), Shaquiri (short & built), and all the short slight players that Fey drools over.

Plus, like SA have done forever, the European countries can draw on immigrant/mixed communities to fill in holes. The rest of the world needs to catch up in this regard.

Japan needs to draw on it's mixed communities around the world (i.e. Marcos Tulio Tanaka gave them physicality to stand up to the rest in 2010 - Portuguese & Italian ancestry).

KPB gave Ghana a bit of quicker thinking in creating chances - easily the best sub-saharan team at "passing between the lines".
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Post by shazlx on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:06 pm

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:I remember Fey once half-jokingly stating that Whites are 2nd strongest, 2nd smartest.m

Football requires a wide set of skills - and as whites are the race with the most physical variations, this + the time spent in the game gives them a distinct advantage. Hence Europe & South American (also aided by race mixing) dominance.

Africa lacks genuine playmakers, Asia lacks the power & size. Europeans produce both physically dominant (Bale, Ronaldo, Prime Torres & Gerrard) & technically gifted players. Crouch, Mertesacker (tall  & thin), Koller (tall & built), Shaquiri (short & built), and all the short slight players that Fey drools over.

Plus, like SA have done forever, the European countries can draw on immigrant/mixed communities to fill in holes. The rest of the world needs to catch up in this regard.

Japan needs to draw on it's mixed communities around the world (i.e. Marcos Tulio Tanaka gave them physicality to stand up to the rest in 2010 - Portuguese & Italian ancestry).

KPB gave Ghana a bit of quicker thinking in creating chances - easily the best sub-saharan team at "passing between the lines".
KPB was coached in Europe. I think that has a bigger impact on his passing ability than his genetics. Muntari was more important to Ghana's passing anyway.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by blutgraetsche on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Ghana was the shortest team in the tournament btw.
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:07 pm

Fey wrote:There will never be a black James for example, the reason for this is

1) Scouting. If clubs want a black player they go wild and act like they are on a slavemarket and always pick the biggest/strongest/fastest. There should be a rule that clubs arent allowed to buy black  players who have a 6 pack! Or are above 180.

2) They cant seem to think ahead. I think this is because black people are originally from africa, and with resources in plenty, why need to think ahead? From the beginning of time white people needed to think ahead, otherwise they would die during a winter.

1) you are right - but as Blut has hinted at even though they are harder to find, Africa can produce players like Abidi Pele & Jay-Jay Okocha. They haven't just disappeared.

2) My dad said something similar! - you sit under a tree in Africa and a Mango will fall into your hand, whilst people in Europe needed to get organised, but this is another tangent.
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:12 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Ghana was the shortest team in the tournament btw.


Obviously this contributed to their style of play, the played some lovely quick passing counters but were let down by shit finishing/final ball. Still have that natural athleticism though (see Jordan Ayew's header against your team)
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:25 pm

Shaz you seriously think Torres had a better technique for striking a ball than Drogba  affraid 

Remember when I used to get laughed at for saying this ?



Former Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy has revealed his old team-mates were "negative" about Fernando Torres' ability while the Spaniard romped through Premier League defences at Anfield.

Torres has failed to hit the heights of his Merseyside days since joining Chelsea for £50 million in 2011.

Murphy suggests that, now that the striker's unstoppable pace and power has dissipated, his technical side isn't good enough to overcome the burden of playing at Stamford Bridge—something his former team-mates acknowledged years ago. Murphy told Ian Cruise of talkSPORT:

“I remember when he was doing well at Liverpool taking (sic) to a couple of the lads there and they were a bit negative about his technical ability and what he didn’t have, rather than what he did have, which was pace and power. But the rest of his game has never been perfect, far from it, in fact.

There was a spell at Liverpool when he was unplayable because of his power and his pace, but once he lost that and his confidence went he became reliant on his technical ability, which he’s not very good at – his hold up play, his passing, his decision making, which is terrible."


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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Super Progress on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:35 pm

Fey wrote:There will never be a black James for example, the reason for this is

1) Scouting. If clubs want a black player they go wild and act like they are on a slavemarket and always pick the biggest/strongest/fastest. There should be a rule that clubs arent allowed to buy black  players who have a 6 pack! Or are above 180.

2) They cant seem to think ahead. I think this is because black people are originally from africa, and with resources in plenty, why need to think ahead? From the beginning of time white people needed to think ahead, otherwise they would die during a winter.

Not sure if you were joking but you basically described the leading theory as to why whites have a higher IQ and why on most continents there is a pattern of those in the north(colder climate) doing better than those in the south. Not a perfect theory but it largely holds up.

However I'm not 100% sure that IQ necessarily is so reliant in terms of attacking players and creativity. In the NFL they test players and quarterbacks tend to score the highest I think. In basket though the important things takes place in split seconds. That sort of decision making can't measured on a IQ test and blacks excel in exactly that. However the only playmakers in basket I remember were white and they were the closest. TS could probably tell us more. Given that football is played at a slower pace I guess more conventional IQ thinking has a higher value but even here I think it is only part of the picture. Maradona never struck me as that bright and nor did Totti who was famous for being a bit ditzy. Also going by this we would expect to find great East Asian playmakers with great creativity or North Europeans even. But I can't see that Germany, Holland,Belgium, Scandinavian countries have any advantage compared to Latino's. Quite the opposite

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Post by shazlx on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:37 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Shaz you seriously think Torres had a better technique for striking a ball than Drogba  affraid 

Remember when I used to get laughed at for saying this ?



Former Liverpool midfielder Danny Murphy has revealed his old team-mates were "negative" about Fernando Torres' ability while the Spaniard romped through Premier League defences at Anfield.

Torres has failed to hit the heights of his Merseyside days since joining Chelsea for £50 million in 2011.

Murphy suggests that, now that the striker's unstoppable pace and power has dissipated, his technical side isn't good enough to overcome the burden of playing at Stamford Bridge—something his former team-mates acknowledged years ago. Murphy told Ian Cruise of talkSPORT:

“I remember when he was doing well at Liverpool taking (sic) to a couple of the lads there and they were a bit negative about his technical ability and what he didn’t have, rather than what he did have, which was pace and power. But the rest of his game has never been perfect, far from it, in fact.

There was a spell at Liverpool when he was unplayable because of his power and his pace, but once he lost that and his confidence went he became reliant on his technical ability, which he’s not very good at – his hold up play, his passing, his decision making, which is terrible."


Yes. Its close. Drogba became more accurate as he aged but technique wise Torres struck the ball better. Better at hitting it with his laces. Drogba was a better crosser actually, better at hitting it with his inside foot.

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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by 110% on Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:07 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

Asians, surely? European countries are the tallest in the world, look at the Dutch.

Short leg to body ratio , that's brilliant


 lol! lol! 

Surely a tall person has pretty much the same leg/body ratio as a short person.

Or are you thinking of those famous 6 ft 4 in players with the very short legs?
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:10 pm

110% wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

Asians, surely? European countries are the tallest in the world, look at the Dutch.

Short leg to body ratio , that's brilliant


 lol! lol! 

Surely a tall person has pretty much the same leg/body ratio as a short person.

Or are you thinking of those famous 6 ft 4 in players with the very short legs?

If you take two people who are 5ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio - if you take two people who are 6ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio.

If you compare one of the 5ft 4 to one of the 6ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio.

If two people are the same height then the one with shorter legs will have lower centre of gravity.
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Post by COTR on Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:14 am

Pierre,

Murphy is talking after Torres lost his form; a time when everyone was commenting on how shit he had turned.

Torres was an amazing player for a 3 to 4 year period which coincided with Spain winning everything in sight. Are you really surprised to see someone who was scoring so freely and winning the big trophies with his national team get so easily praised ?

His fall from grace has been met with equal negativity, despite his marketability (still top ten in world for sponsorship) which kind of renders your point meaningless.

Where you are going wrong here is failing to acknowledge how good Torres was in that period of good form and turning it into a race issue instead. He merited the praise he was receiving.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by Fey on Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:12 am

Deluded F*ck™ wrote:
Fey wrote:There will never be a black James for example, the reason for this is

1) Scouting. If clubs want a black player they go wild and act like they are on a slavemarket and always pick the biggest/strongest/fastest. There should be a rule that clubs arent allowed to buy black  players who have a 6 pack! Or are above 180.

2) They cant seem to think ahead. I think this is because black people are originally from africa, and with resources in plenty, why need to think ahead? From the beginning of time white people needed to think ahead, otherwise they would die during a winter.

1) you are right - but as Blut has hinted at even though they are harder to find, Africa can produce players like Abidi Pele & Jay-Jay Okocha. They haven't just disappeared.

2) My dad said something similar! - you sit under a tree in Africa and a Mango will fall into your hand, whilst people in Europe needed to get organised, but this is another tangent.

Surely there has to be one, there are more black people then white people, hence its so shocking. On the other hand, I dont see why it should be a problem if there isnt one. I mean, will we ever have a white Olympics 100m winner? Or one at the marathon? Each has it own strengths...apart from Native americans. They are the Dodo's among humans, due to lack of competitors from abroad. But they are spiritually superior!

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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by 110% on Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:37 am

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
110% wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
The best footballers are short, slightly built and probably with short leg to body ratio - white people are more likely to fit this criteria.

Asians, surely? European countries are the tallest in the world, look at the Dutch.

Short leg to body ratio , that's brilliant


 lol! lol! 

Surely a tall person has pretty much the same leg/body ratio as a short person.

Or are you thinking of those famous 6 ft 4 in players with the very short legs?

If you take two people who are 5ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio - if you take two people who are 6ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio.

If you compare one of the 5ft 4 to one of the 6ft 4 they will have different leg to body ratio.

If two people are the same height then the one with shorter legs will have lower centre of gravity.

mmm if 2 people are of the same height but one has shorter legs it is mainly due to a bad diet when young, so while they might have a lower centre of gravity they are unlikely to be athletic. Or are you saying I should start feeding crap to my son in order to keep his legs short and increase his chances of becoming a great player? Because that really doesn't sound right  Very Happy

ok there is a slight difference in leg to body ratio, but as I said it is pretty much the same amongst everyone, the slight difference being due to different diets, but surely having a bad diet ensuring short legs can't be good.
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Re: Poor Yaya's Birthday Blues

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:29 am

COTR wrote:Pierre,

Murphy is talking after Torres lost his form; a time when everyone was commenting on how shit he had turned.

Torres was an amazing player for a 3 to 4 year period which coincided with Spain winning everything in sight. Are you really surprised to see someone who was scoring so freely and winning the big trophies with his national team get so easily praised ?

His fall from grace has been met with equal negativity, despite his marketability (still top ten in world for sponsorship) which kind of renders your point meaningless.

Where you are going wrong here is failing to acknowledge how good Torres was in that period of good form and turning it into a race issue instead. He merited the praise he was receiving.

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