2014 World Cup - Group Stages

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:47 pm

In all seriousness, the World Cup is about seeing the best players so I really hope Argentina bring on Messi for the second half.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:49 pm

Can't get over seeing Juninho as a pundit. #God.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:49 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Germans.  Doh 
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:50 pm

I dont think the Maracana is that impressive. Loads of argies though, pre-match vids of them on the beach singing was awesome. So far Brazil has the shittiest crowd of SA. Love the interaction between them and the argies mind.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Brian2468 on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:51 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Well it is the special system most often misunderstood (;
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kroos on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:53 pm

why is the malaga keeper not there goal keeper, this guy is awesome


hmm argentina looks medicore, they have no chance to win it

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:55 pm

At the moment it's looking like whichever country decides they can actually defend will get this one..most teams look a bit hopeless at the back.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:59 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Germans.  Doh 

You know, work. Being productive, producing goods and services, helping to prevent this country from becoming a hopeless shithole. Damn straight it's typical German. Ale
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:03 am

christmasborocooper wrote:At the moment it's looking like whichever country decides they can actually defend will get this one..most teams look a bit hopeless at the back.

True. That and whichever country is able to vary the tempo and be tactically flexible and unpredictable.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Brian2468 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:03 am

Bosnia look a little lost up front of at times. Like to see them get a goal straight after the second half start.
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:04 am

Brian2468 wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Well it is the special system most often misunderstood (;

I am sorry, but I disagree. Its a shit system in this context, and Argies are just proving why. Very few teams correctly interpret a 3 man defense as an attacking formation, with two "Bale-like or Cuadrado-like" attacking wingbacks who are critical for this system. The way Argentina are playing, its essentially a 5-man defense (5-3-2), and that's a stupid system as most Inter fans will tell ya.

You need more lethal wingbacks than Rojo & Zabaleta (who are essentially playing like fullbacks today). I am glad Argentina have realised their tactical folly, and corrected it with subs in the 2nd half.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:13 am

What we call "Verschieben" in German, means reducing space while the opposition has the ball with intelligent positioning of all players involved, is totally missing from this Argentina side. They defend as a team like the last 20-30 years of tactical evolution didn't happen.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:24 am

First that flop of a free kick, then this. Maybe that gives him finally the confidence he needs.
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Post by Rosicky on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:24 am

That's for the haters.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:25 am

Messi 1 Ronaldo 0
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Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:31 am

Finally.

Fair play to him, he looked like Sterling there.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:35 am

Disappointed in Bosnia, too, to be honest. They have a lot of space but hardly do anything productive with it.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Antarion on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:37 am

Bosnia totally lost the plot in the 2nd half.


Shooting wide or hoofing the ball..
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:43 am

That's more like it. Why all those nonsense long range efforts? It's not like Argentina are packing the defence. Bosnia have been too naive.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Brian2468 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:51 am

bluenine wrote:
Brian2468 wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Well it is the special system most often misunderstood (;

I am sorry, but I disagree. Its a shit system in this context, and Argies are just proving why. Very few teams correctly interpret a 3 man defense as an attacking formation, with two "Bale-like or Cuadrado-like" attacking wingbacks who are critical for this system. The way Argentina are playing, its essentially a 5-man defense (5-3-2), and that's a stupid system as most Inter fans will tell ya.

You need more lethal wingbacks than Rojo & Zabaleta (who are essentially playing like fullbacks today). I am glad Argentina have realised their tactical folly, and corrected it with subs in the 2nd half.

See totally misunderstood system that coaches think it has to be played with wing backs and it does not. Not going argue this one again. Smile
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:52 am

Not impressed. From all the top teams so far (bar Spain), Argentina have been least convincing.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:54 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Germans.  Doh 

You know, work. Being productive, producing goods and services, helping to prevent this country from becoming a hopeless shithole. Damn straight it's typical German. Ale

hehe

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:56 am

Messi reached Neymar's mark of 2 goals in a WC. However, the question stands: is he as good as the Brazilian wonderkid?
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:58 am

Brazil and Argentina depend on Neymar and Messi. Without them, they have no chance.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:02 am

Bosnia, the little balkan warriors that they are, climbed out of their massgrave in the dying seconds. Still Messi showed a sign of life which we havent seen for ages.

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Post by Formerly known as sheva7 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:11 am

mongrel hawk wrote:Brazil and Argentina depend on Neymar and Messi. Without them, they have no chance.


It is funny to see how often brazilian media compare Neymar to Messi and Ronaldo as if all three have the same level. Neymar is not as good as brazilians think he is, or as bad as europeans think he is.

IMO Brazil depend on Neymar more than Argentina depend on Messi because the argentinian has more talent around him.
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Post by Fey on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:13 am

If only Bielsa was still around to coach them. Best Argie squad I have seen in my life. Together with van Gaal and Pep part of the best coaches in the world!
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:14 am

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Brazil and Argentina depend on Neymar and Messi. Without them, they have no chance.


It is funny to see how often brazilian media compare Neymar to Messi and Ronaldo as if all three have the same level. Neymar is not as good as brazilians think he is, or as bad as europeans think he is.

IMO Brazil depend on Neymar more than Argentina depend on Messi because the argentinian has more talent around him.

It's obvious that both are high above Neymar. But I think Neymar has the potential to reach their level some day (which doesn't mean it will happen).

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Formerly known as sheva7 on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:19 am

mongrel hawk wrote:
Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Brazil and Argentina depend on Neymar and Messi. Without them, they have no chance.


It is funny to see how often brazilian media compare Neymar to Messi and Ronaldo as if all three have the same level. Neymar is not as good as brazilians think he is, or as bad as europeans think he is.

IMO Brazil depend on Neymar more than Argentina depend on Messi because the argentinian has more talent around him.

It's obvious that both are high above Neymar. But I think Neymar has the potential to reach their level some day (which doesn't mean it will happen).

Agreed. The problem is that they think that he already reached their level.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:29 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Hmm. I'd like to watch the Argies, but I have to work tomorrow. Decisions.

Interesting starting lineup. 3-5-2 having a renaissance in this tournament, Brian must be a happy bunny.

Germans.  Doh 

You know, work. Being productive, producing goods and services, helping to prevent this country from becoming a hopeless shithole. Damn straight it's typical German. Ale

For a Brazilian, this situation would only become a problem if the game and the work were at the same time: should I go to work or watch the game?

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