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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:14 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:England do play dirty though, almost Uru like.

But not as dirty as Germany, that rig WC games (1974, 1982), take dope (1954) and dive in a WC final game to win (1990).  

That's like a pig pointing the finger at a dog. But keep it on. <Ale>
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:15 pm

Fey wrote:FFS I feel sorry for them Anglo-Saxons, the little warrior nation from the island. They are better then most SA teams, but they dont believe in themselves! FFS mediabias says I.

Also, England needs to TROLL more, South-Americans ALWAYS take the bait ffs!

Good 2nd half btw.

Puro must be DYING to post on here.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:15 pm

debaser wrote:well I guess I am now a hardcore Italy fan. christ I wish we were confirmed out already - I going to have to actually care about the last game still. which means another dose of abject misery.

Don't be so English.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:17 pm

Isco Benny wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:It's just that England were all over Uruguay in that phase. Their defence looked unsettled, yes, but they really put a lot of pressure on Uruguay. And then comes Gerrard with his perfect assist for his Liverpool team mate. It was against the run of play and broke their neck.

Gerrard really is a fucking loser. Consistently manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for England.

Can't wait to see the back of him. Hearing all these ex pros in the media fawning over him and comparing him to the likes of Pirlo is just bile inducing.

Both he and Rooney have been the most frustrating players to watch YET AGAIN in a major tournament. Do one you overrated c*nts Ale

I can't wait for those c**ts to retire so I can start to get behind England again. They have some likeable players coming through: Lallana, Shaw, etc. But Gerrard, Rooney and Lampard need to fuck off.

P.S, England would have done better with Redknapp in charge.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Murray on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:17 pm

I suppose Woy will be getting fired now.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:17 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
debaser wrote:well I guess I am now a hardcore Italy fan. christ I wish we were confirmed out already - I going to have to actually care about the last game still. which means another dose of abject misery.

Don't be so English.

The conditions didn't suit us.  Ale 
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:17 pm

Isco Benny wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:It's just that England were all over Uruguay in that phase. Their defence looked unsettled, yes, but they really put a lot of pressure on Uruguay. And then comes Gerrard with his perfect assist for his Liverpool team mate. It was against the run of play and broke their neck.

Gerrard really is a fucking loser. Consistently manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for England.

Can't wait to see the back of him. Hearing all these ex pros in the media fawning over him and comparing him to the likes of Pirlo is just bile inducing.

Both he and Rooney have been the most frustrating players to watch YET AGAIN in a major tournament. Do one you overrated c*nts Ale

I thought Rooney had a good match tonight though, not just because of the goal. But I agree that England will be better off once the transition to the new generation of players coming through is complete. They are better footballers, have a better mentality and most importantly, have a better tactical understanding.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:18 pm

Rooney didn't have a good game, he missed 2 sitters and was repeatedly caught in possession.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:18 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
Fey wrote:FFS I feel sorry for them Anglo-Saxons, the little warrior nation from the island. They are better then most SA teams, but they dont believe in themselves! FFS mediabias says I.

Also, England needs to TROLL more, South-Americans ALWAYS take the bait ffs!

Good 2nd half btw.

Puro must be DYING to post on here.

GOODBYE EUROSHITE *flag waving emoji*
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:19 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
Fey wrote:FFS I feel sorry for them Anglo-Saxons, the little warrior nation from the island. They are better then most SA teams, but they dont believe in themselves! FFS mediabias says I.

Also, England needs to TROLL more, South-Americans ALWAYS take the bait ffs!

Good 2nd half btw.

Puro must be DYING to post on here.

He has to hurry up though, otherwise the momentum is gone. When Otto was in his trolling days he did it like 2 weeks after England got knocked out. That backfired.

So hurry the fuck up FFS christians!
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:20 pm

Kimbo wrote:Rooney didn't have a good game, he missed 2 sitters and was repeatedly caught in possession.

Had a good second half I thought. Apart from that awful finish.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Formerly known as sheva7 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:20 pm

English players are naive. Godin should have been sent off in the first half and none of them complained about it. South american, italian or spanish players would have been all over the referee.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:20 pm

ERIK LAMELA wrote:I will be completely honest. I don't consider England to be any better than Australia. At best they are comparable to a side like Japan. The idea that England is a good football side must end. Qualifying for a tournament is the achievement for England.

So Australia>>>Japan?

GTFO!!

England played better then during the last years...but you cant have such wingers..you cant. That's not from this day and age. Also one more match and England is released of Gerrard.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:21 pm

Seriously though: Japan, Bosnia, Côte d'Ivoire are all better than England.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 pm

Kimbo wrote:Rooney didn't have a good game, he missed 2 sitters and was repeatedly caught in possession.

He was wasteful, yes, but he at least made a few good passes, read the game well a few times, worked pretty hard etc. Compared to the other WCs, it was a much improved performance at least.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by debaser on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
debaser wrote:well I guess I am now a hardcore Italy fan. christ I wish we were confirmed out already - I going to have to actually care about the last game still. which means another dose of abject misery.

Don't be so English.

what am I supposed to be?
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by ERIK LAMELA on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:22 pm

Fey wrote:
ERIK LAMELA wrote:I will be completely honest. I don't consider England to be any better than Australia. At best they are comparable to a side like Japan. The idea that England is a good football side must end. Qualifying for a tournament is the achievement for England.

So Australia>>>Japan?

GTFO!!

England played better then during the last years...but you cant have such wingers..you cant. That's not from this day and age. Also one more match and England is released of Gerrard.

Japan and Aus. are comparable. Japan slightly ahead to be honest, but what I mean is that Aus. are better at playing the style the English should than England are.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:23 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Rooney didn't have a good game, he missed 2 sitters and was repeatedly caught in possession.

He was wasteful, yes, but he at least made a few good passes, read the game well a few times, worked pretty hard etc. Compared to the other WCs, it was a much improved performance at least.

For a player that has a permanent place in the starting XI it's not enough, he needs to go.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by shazlx on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:24 pm

Kimbo wrote:
NeoChap wrote:
Luis wrote:Bloody Gerrard, how dare he try and win a header  Grr 

England played better vs Italy. Hodgson very meh with his decisions tonight.

Obviously Gerrard's getting extra credit because of past form and going to shit there after his mistake, but it's very much Jagielka too. Don't see how you can blame Roy though. The first two changes made a positive impact, and he clearly held back the last one for a throw of the dice - when Lambert messed up every time he got near the ball anyway.

A team that isn't built to control the game, we made chances, converted only one, and defended poorly. Depressing because it's a decent set of players, but basically a tough reflection of being in a group with good teams.

Jagielka needs replaced aswell

We need a new keeper, new fullbacks, a new CB, a new CM, and a new striker that can actually lead the line. For all these fancy young AM that are coming through we're thin everywhere else.

And a new manager ofcourse.
I'm optimistic.

Hart ins't so bad and we would hope he improves...
CBs is a worry I can only see Stones of Everton who is coming through.
FBs I think we'll be fine, quite a few decent ones. Shaw, Gibbs, Flanagan, Clyne
CMs I've optimistic. Wilshere will come good! He's coached by Wenger who has a strong record of developing central midfielders of all types. With both Gerrard and Lampard now gone, we should now get some experimentation there. We should get see Milner, Huddlestone, Delphs and of course Cleverly coming back in.
Strikers...

You don't need stars, just players who are comfortable playing the system you put out, and then a good finisher in Sturridge has to deliver.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:24 pm

Lee Dixon seems to want to lamp Chiles. Here's hoping

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Formerly known as sheva7 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:25 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:English don't dive Very Happy 

The English dioved against Italy (twice) and Uruguay (about 300 times).

There's no difference between Fred, Marcelo, Sturridge, Sterling, etc. All cheaters! The only difference was the japanese ref..
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 pm

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:English players are naive. Godin should have been sent off in the first half and none of them complained about it. South american, italian or spanish players would have been all over the referee.

True. They think a WC game is a tea party.
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Post by shazlx on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:26 pm

Murray wrote:I suppose Woy will be getting fired now.
If only. There's no strong English coach to replace him and the F.A won't wanted the media shit that will come with replacing him with a foreign coach.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:27 pm

debaser wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
debaser wrote:well I guess I am now a hardcore Italy fan. christ I wish we were confirmed out already - I going to have to actually care about the last game still. which means another dose of abject misery.

Don't be so English.

what am I supposed to be?

A little less English. Could you?  Very Happy 
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 pm

Not English, but Brendan Rodgers would be a good choice. Gerrard would remain Captain, though...
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by shazlx on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Rooney didn't have a good game, he missed 2 sitters and was repeatedly caught in possession.

He was wasteful, yes, but he at least made a few good passes, read the game well a few times, worked pretty hard etc. Compared to the other WCs, it was a much improved performance at least.
He's wasn't great but did make some positive contributions and had his dangerous moments.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 pm

shazlx wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
NeoChap wrote:
Luis wrote:Bloody Gerrard, how dare he try and win a header  Grr 

England played better vs Italy. Hodgson very meh with his decisions tonight.

Obviously Gerrard's getting extra credit because of past form and going to shit there after his mistake, but it's very much Jagielka too. Don't see how you can blame Roy though. The first two changes made a positive impact, and he clearly held back the last one for a throw of the dice - when Lambert messed up every time he got near the ball anyway.

A team that isn't built to control the game, we made chances, converted only one, and defended poorly. Depressing because it's a decent set of players, but basically a tough reflection of being in a group with good teams.

Jagielka needs replaced aswell

We need a new keeper, new fullbacks, a new CB, a new CM, and a new striker that can actually lead the line. For all these fancy young AM that are coming through we're thin everywhere else.

And a new manager ofcourse.
I'm optimistic.

Hart ins't so bad and we would hope he improves...
CBs is a worry I can only see Stones of Everton who is coming through.
FBs I think we'll be fine, quite a few decent ones. Shaw, Gibbs, Flanagan, Clyne
CMs I've optimistic. Wilshere will come good! He's coached by Wenger who has a strong record of developing central midfielders of all types. With both Gerrard and Lampard now gone, we should now get some experimentation there. We should get see Milner, Huddlestone, Delphs and of course Cleverly coming back in.
Strikers...

You don't need stars, just players who are comfortable playing the system you put out, and then a good finisher in Sturridge has to deliver.

I'm hoping Butland, Stones, Shaw, and Flanagan turn out to be good. As for CM, we need someone athletic alongside Henderson, who I think is a very capable work donkey, not a fragile cockney with a bad attitude. tongue 

I like Sturridge but he was often far too deep tonight, I know target men are out of fashion in England(or English ones atleast) but I really think we need one.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:29 pm

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:English don't dive Very Happy 

The English dioved against Italy (twice) and Uruguay (about 300 times).

There's no difference between Fred, Marcelo, Sturridge, Sterling, etc. All cheaters! The only difference was the japanese ref..

And Mueller. And the whole German teams of 1974 and 1982.  <Ale> 
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:30 pm

Formerly known as sheva7 wrote:English players are naive. Godin should have been sent off in the first half and none of them complained about it. South american, italian or spanish players would have been all over the referee.

Dutch as well...Latin and Balkan players are always close to exploding so you have to play on the edge against them and influence the ref.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:32 pm

shazlx wrote:
Murray wrote:I suppose Woy will be getting fired now.
If only. There's no strong English coach to replace him and the F.A won't wanted the media shit that will come with replacing him with a foreign coach.

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