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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by shazlx on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:14 pm

Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?
Maybe if your club didn't defend him when he first acted up he might have learnt his lesson.

Anyway, I would recommend to all to read the ESPN article on Suarez which delves into his upbringing and tries to understand why he's the way he is. It's brilliant and doesn't defend him but still gives a genuine human angle to it all. If I were a Liverpool supporter I'd be quite inclined to support him (not defend him) after reading the article. It's a GREAT football/human story.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by christmasborocooper on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:15 pm

Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?

Probably shouldn't have kept him after the racism and then the biting incident.. He deserves the ban. Fuck the teams he plays for

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Di Caniooooo! on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:16 pm

Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!
Seeing how awful Portugal have been, they probably hoped for Portugal.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Luis on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:18 pm

shazlx wrote:
Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?
Maybe if your club didn't defend him when he first acted up he might have learnt his lesson.

Anyway, I would recommend to all to read the ESPN article on Suarez which delves into his upbringing and tries to understand why he's the way he is. It's brilliant and doesn't defend him but still gives a genuine human angle to it all. If I were a Liverpool supporter I'd be quite inclined to support him (not defend him) after reading the article. It's a GREAT football/human story.

Many people said he was a disgrace for biting Ivanovic - but you still stick by your best player like United fans did when Cantona kicked a fan. Behind closed doors Rodgers will have gone to town on him and he'll have had the help needed - hence why he didn't do nothing extreme this season.

His actions now have nothing to do with us as a club - why should we have to miss our best player and not have the chance to sell him either?

Why was he not banned for Uruguay when he bit Ivanovic?

I can no longer defend the man, his actions have been disgraceful and selfish but it doesn't excuse the fact that FIFA have acted illogically here.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:21 pm

Di Caniooooo! wrote:
Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!
Seeing how awful Portugal have been, they probably hoped for Portugal.
Most likely, they have been abysmal for years now!
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Jaime on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:23 pm

Luis wrote:
shazlx wrote:
Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?
Maybe if your club didn't defend him when he first acted up he might have learnt his lesson.

Anyway, I would recommend to all to read the ESPN article on Suarez which delves into his upbringing and tries to understand why he's the way he is. It's brilliant and doesn't defend him but still gives a genuine human angle to it all. If I were a Liverpool supporter I'd be quite inclined to support him (not defend him) after reading the article. It's a GREAT football/human story.

Many people said he was a disgrace for biting Ivanovic - but you still stick by your best player like United fans did when Cantona kicked a fan. Behind closed doors Rodgers will have gone to town on him and he'll have had the help needed - hence why he didn't do nothing extreme this season.

His actions now have nothing to do with us as a club - why should we have to miss our best player and not have the chance to sell him either?

Why was he not banned for Uruguay when he bit Ivanovic?

I can no longer defend the man, his actions have been disgraceful and selfish but it doesn't excuse the fact that FIFA have acted illogically here.

He can be transferred during the ban.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:23 pm

Luis wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?

If you didn't want this you shouldn't have stuck by him and given him a big new contract. Same with us when we signed Barton and he got sent to prison, we made our bed.

I expect Liverpool could sue Suarez for compensation if they want.

As a club we tried to help him and it looked like it had worked - he didn't do anything controversial all season. You stick by your best player, simple as that, especially when they are as good as him.

This time though he has gone too far. He has had no regard for club or country and has refused to accept responsibility.

Still, it doesn't make sense that we have to pay for it - we aren't responsible for his behaviour while he's with Uruguay surely. Club level fair enough, we would be responsible because we are the ones who have a team of people trying to help him.

We can get compensation from Suarez but where does that help us in terms of results? We're going to be far worse off without him or the money we could have got from his sale to help buy another good forward.

I don't blame Liverpool for sticking by him, and I won't blame them for sticking by him this time. Suarez is one of the worst scumbags in the sport, but there are plenty of them about, and I don't see any teams making apologies for it.

Suarez is an employee of Liverpool, if he bit someone on the street Liverpool would suffer, nevermind the pitch. If a key employee misbehaves away from his workplace his employer might suffer for it, that's the price you pay, and the fact that we all know his history doesn't leave much sympathy for Liverpool.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by Effenberg on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:26 pm

Fey wrote:
Di Caniooooo! wrote:
Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!
Seeing how awful Portugal have been, they probably hoped for Portugal.
Most likely, they have been abysmal for years now!

Are you joking? They were very strong in 2012.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:29 pm

i told you guys, without RQ7, Portugal are nothing. They won't do anything with Crap Ronaldo.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:39 pm

Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!

What's the problem of playing against Portugal? They are shite. I'd take Portugal in place of Chile any day.
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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:43 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!

What's the problem of playing against Portugal? They are shite. I'd take Portugal in place of Chile any day.

To be honest, Belgium are at the same level of shiteness. Won't be surprised if they lose to USA.

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Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:50 pm

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Post by Axeslammer on Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:50 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!

What's the problem of playing against Portugal? They are shite. I'd take Portugal in place of Chile any day.

Give us Chile, we eat those pussies for breakfast Ale

Portugal on the other hand : we simply don't know how to play against them...
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Post by Pierre Littbarski on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:04 pm

shazlx wrote:
Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?
Maybe if your club didn't defend him when he first acted up he might have learnt his lesson.

Anyway, I would recommend to all to read the ESPN article on Suarez which delves into his upbringing and tries to understand why he's the way he is. It's brilliant and doesn't defend him but still gives a genuine human angle to it all. If I were a Liverpool supporter I'd be quite inclined to support him (not defend him) after reading the article. It's a GREAT football/human story.


Was the ESPN article written in the last couple of days after the 3rd bite or is it this one ?

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10984370/portrait-serial-winner-luis-suarez-soccer-most-beautiful-player

This is a brilliant article.
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Post by Antarion on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:18 pm

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Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:34 pm

Axeslammer wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:
Fey wrote:Great news for Belgium this, not getting 2nd, and dont have to play against Portugal in the next round!!

What's the problem of playing against Portugal? They are shite. I'd take Portugal in place of Chile any day.

Give us Chile, we eat those pussies for breakfast Ale

Portugal on the other hand : we simply don't know how to play against them...

I'm curious to see how will be your meeting with Mexico. Wink
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Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:47 pm

Antarion wrote:



Hahaha, oh Todo...

Brazil no divers eh..

Anyway, watching some live footage from Brazil, strange to see a tropical place where its darker outside then here, yet 5 hours earlier or so...though your winters arent that bad as here I must say.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:59 pm

Fey wrote:
Antarion wrote:



Hahaha, oh Todo...

Brazil no divers eh..

Anyway, watching some live footage from Brazil, strange to see a tropical place where its darker outside then here, yet 5 hours earlier or so...though your winters arent that bad as here I must say.

Did I ever say Brazil had no divers? What I said was: every country has divers in football, not only S Americans.

"strange to see a tropical place where its darker outside"

Which of the dozens of Brazils are you seeing? We have cities at 35 degrees (north) and zero degrees (Southern Hills) at the same time. In the North, the sun always sets around 6pm. In So Paulo, between 6pm and 8pm, depending on the season.

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Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:02 pm

Rio, for the rest of the world Brazil= Rio

I imagine a brazilian Kimbo from the north, shits on them and their media.
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Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:03 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:

Great picture, of two amazing footballers ok
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Post by shazlx on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:42 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
shazlx wrote:
Luis wrote:Hmm so Suarez bites someone while on International duty in Brazil and we have to pay for it? Sounds fair.

He's an idiot and to be honest with you I'd happily sell him right now - it's got to a stage where he's a liability for the club but I can't see why we should have to pay for something he did with Uruguay.

Not only is he going to miss key games for us (again) but we won't be able to sell him either. Where's our compensation for that?
Maybe if your club didn't defend him when he first acted up he might have learnt his lesson.

Anyway, I would recommend to all to read the ESPN article on Suarez which delves into his upbringing and tries to understand why he's the way he is. It's brilliant and doesn't defend him but still gives a genuine human angle to it all. If I were a Liverpool supporter I'd be quite inclined to support him (not defend him) after reading the article. It's a GREAT football/human story.


Was the ESPN article written in the last couple of days after the 3rd bite or is it this one ?

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10984370/portrait-serial-winner-luis-suarez-soccer-most-beautiful-player

This is a brilliant article.
This one.

One of the best football stories you'll read.
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:59 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/10984370/portrait-serial-winner-luis-suarez-soccer-most-beautiful-player

This is a brilliant article.

Brilliant indeed....but would it have killed them to name FC Groningen Evil or Very Mad

FC Groningen came to Uruguay to sign another player who had been scouted several times.

The chairman (Hans Nijland) had to sign and came along, to view to player a final time....and in that match they spotted Suarez, abbandoning all thoughts of signing the other player. Nijland claimed that they'd never signed a player after watching him for just one match, let alone a record transfer fee (for FC Groningen that was) of 1.5M dollars. Yet they were so convinced of his qualities, that they made the gamble.

It helped that we already had a Uruguayan player at FC Groningen (Bruno Silva) who acted as a father/brother for Luis : he was fenomenal for us. He did dive sometimes (but never as much as he did at Ajax or Liverpool), but otherwise there was no sign of madness....
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Post by mongrel hawk on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:01 pm

Fey wrote:Rio, for the rest of the world Brazil= Rio

I imagine a brazilian Kimbo from the north, shits on them and their media.

So I've never been to Brazil, cause I've never been to Rio.

I live here:



But in the next year I'll live here:


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Post by 110% on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:06 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:He is a madman but if I had a choice of:

1. Being bitten hard enough to mark but not draw blood

2. Having someone spit in my face (on the cheek, would be different if it went in your mouth)

3. Being elbowed hard near one of my eyes or on my nose.

4. Someone going studs 1st on to my shin/ankle with force


I would take the 1 and 2 anyday over 3 and 4 yet the 3/4 seem worse to many - diving or pulling someone's shirt at a corner is probably considered worse thatn 3/4 in this country !!!

I kind of agree with you, but 3 and 4 are somehow seen as part of football, and things that can happen "during an honest challenge". Commentators always say thing like "you can't jump without using your elbow on someone's face for leverage", and "you can see he was going for the ball" or "he's an honest player" right after someone gets their leg snapped in half.

You just can't say the same for biting or spitting. One other thing I would say is that his bite didn't change the game in any way, whereas a dive does, so is the biting even as bad as the diving he does?
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Post by Kimbo on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:17 pm

Would you rather have an elbow break your nose, or have an opponent slip his finger up your arse during a tussle in the box? One is probably more painful than the other, which would you rather?
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Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:19 pm

That red card of Defour...if these refs get Wigan-Stoke...it will end with 3 men left ffs.

Oohhh Algeria score...Germany-Algeria Very Happy

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by 110% on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:20 pm

Kimbo wrote:Would you rather have an elbow break your nose, or have an opponent slip his finger up your arse during a tussle in the box? One is probably more painful than the other, which would you rather?

That's the 2nd time you've asked about someone slipping a finger up your arse, is there something you want to tell us?

Anyway I've broken my nose more than 10 times, and I always lead with my elbow, only way to avoid getting hurt is to go harder than the other guy. So yes I'd prefer the elbow to the nose, I'd just break it back straight and carry on once the blood stopped.

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Re: 2014 World Cup - Group Stages

Post by 110% on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:21 pm

Fey wrote:That red card of Defour...if these refs get Wigan-Stoke...it will end with 3 men left ffs.

Oohhh Algeria score...Germany-Algeria Very Happy

Oh yes, "best world cup ever", when no-one cares who is playing and what's going on this match day
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Post by Fey on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:38 pm

Vertonghen, Spurs Legend, puts a 10 men Belgium ahead...9/9..Belgium never had that before. Though they are overrated no Very Happy
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Post by Axeslammer on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:48 pm

Russia not going through will f#ck up my predictions, but Algeria are deserving it : best African country this WC....or should I say the only good team from Africa this WC ?

Had I realised Capello was Russia's manager I'd never predicted them to get out of the group.

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