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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Ä on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:45 am

http://www.focus.de/sport/experten/martinez/guardiola-gehorsam-und-bvb-einfluss-pep-fuehrt-den-fc-bayern-in-eine-tiefe-identitaetskrise_id_4042626.html

some Spanish hack thinks Bayern are losing their Bavarian identity and becoming too Spanish


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Post by 110% on Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:49 am

There's an awesome video of it here:
http://www.espnfc.com/video/highlights/114/video/1975793/pep-refuses-to-shake-hands-with-porter

The MLS coach looks totally confused as he follows him around the pitch with his hand out. FFS someone shake his hand, he just beat the best team in the world  Very Happy 

To add insult to even more insult, apparently in the post match interview Pep said he didn't shake hands as he didn't see the MLS coach. Such a blatant liar, after his finger wagging Wink
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Super Progress on Thu Aug 07, 2014 10:38 am

Pep lol! 
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Jaime on Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:21 pm

Pep! cheers

I believe that's what the catalans call "valors". Rolling Eyes

What a dick! I don't know what happened but I suspect he was mad that the MLS coach was also wearing a plaid shirt.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:28 pm

Laughing

I think Pep really feels the pressure after that meltdown against Madrid last season.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Jaime on Tue Aug 12, 2014 3:08 pm

Thiago injured again. Doh
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:01 am

Jaime wrote:Thiago injured again. Doh

Bayern will regret selling Kroos, but most of us knew that already.

Huge mistake. Again, a sackable offence in my view.

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Post by 110% on Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:42 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
Jaime wrote:Thiago injured again. Doh

Bayern will regret selling Kroos, but most of us knew that already.

Huge mistake. Again, a sackable offence in my view.

He wanted more money, but it wasn't Rooney money.

When you say sackable, I assume you mean Pep or is there someone else in Bayern who decide he wasn't worth that money?
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:53 am

I mean Pep (although according to interviews at least, he didn't want to get sell him. But he didn't really 'fight' to keep him either - it's pretty obvious that he intends to build the team around (inury prone) Thiago) and especially the Bayern board. They believed that Kroos' demands of earning as much as 'newcomers' like Götze wasn't worth it, despite Kroos playing there on a high level for years.

Whatever though, Bayern still have a lot of depth in midfield. But players of Kroos' calibre are rare and difficult to come by. Schweinsteiger just turned 30, Lahm is on the wrong side of 30 already - they won't be around forever. Letting a perfect successor go is idiotic, especially since it's a German international who could have shaped a new era. Bayern's policy under Hoeness has always been to build the team around the best German players, "FC Bayern Deutschland" basically. I wonder if Hoeness would have sold Kroos, too.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Xavier on Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:38 am

I really doubt Kroos would be gone if Hoeness were still a full member of the Board.... he would not stand for this nonsense.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:30 pm

Time for Gotze to pay Bayern back

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Control, turn, volley. Control, turn, volley. Control. Turn. Volley.

Mario Gotze's winning goal versus Argentina in the World Cup final will echo in eternity because of its relevance, its beauty and, last but not least, its inherent, unassailable logic. That moment didn't just provide the perfect end to a thrilling tournament, but a fitting full stop to the German football story that had begun a decade earlier. It marked the planned outcome of a highly determined, progressive and expensive youth development program specifically designed to create players who could create such goals. "It's the technique, stupid," Martin Mazur of Argentine football publication El Grafico wrote in his postmatch piece from Rio de Janeiro.

Gotze's goal also served a second, much more personal purpose: It was a timely reminder that Gotze is a pretty special footballer.

It's been easy to forget just how good the 22-year-old is or, more precisely, how good he can be. His controversial 37 million euro move to Bayern Munich seemed to have arrested his development last season. Far from developing into a German Lionel Messi, a player worthy of his Gotzinho nickname, he was a peripheral figure during Pep Guardiola's first season in charge at the Allianz Arena. Ten goals and eight assists were not a mean return, but the Catalan coach rarely trusted him in the big games. Gotze never managed to move beyond being an incredibly well-paid supporting actor.

Dortmund-based football reporters even professed their shock at Gotze's apparent regression during the World Cup. He looked like a shadow of the player they had so admired in the past. Gotze claimed that the stats showed that he actually played well in Brazil, but doing many small things right was not a good substitute for having a real impact and making games truly his own.

To make matters worse, he came across like a player who had become a little too big for his own boots in a short space of time. He treated journalists with indifference bordering on disdain during the tournament; they soon responded in kind. After the 2-1 win in the last 16 against Algeria, Gotze walked through the mixed zone with his gaze fixed to the roof, ready to ignore all requests for a statement, but no requests were forthcoming. Nobody wanted to talk to him.

Those who know him best, like former German press officer Harald Stenger, insist that Gotze is a fundamentally decent boy who perhaps finds it hard to deal with criticism and goes into his shell by way of defence.

Maybe he's been unsettled by the much harsher spotlight at Bayern compared with the relative freedom to express himself he enjoyed at Signal Iduna Park. The amount of hate that came his way (and that of his father, a university professor) from disgruntled Borussia fans after his move down south must have hurt, too. "Some of it went too far," he recalled last week. At the height of the uproar in April 2013, his Facebook page was defaced by so many insults that the commentary function needed to be blocked.

Bayern, too, paid a hefty prize, the 37 million euro transfer fee aside. The hostile takeover of one of Dortmund's icons cast the Bavarians in a very ruthless light and didn't win them many new friends. (To be clear, they don't mind.)

The Toni Kroos saga also showed the dangerous knock-on effect of getting Gotze in at all costs. Kroos, who is represented by the same agency, was unhappy to be on only a third of Götze's 12 million euro per season. Bayern felt that they couldn't afford to bump Kroos up to the same level, for fear of inflationary pressure inside the dressing room, but the genie is out of the bottle now.

Also, the Gotze deal was exactly the sort of transfer that former Bayern president Uli Hoeness, currently in jail for tax evasion, used to belittle other European clubs for. They overpaid for a talent, hurting both their existing wage structure as well as possibly the player himself in the process. When you make top-level money as a 22-year-old, where is the motivation to work harder to get to the next level? Unflattering whispers about Gotze's penchant for the dessert buffet at Bayern away games painted a pretty damning picture.

Gotze will forever be "our World Cup hero" (Bild) but Bayern and Joachim Low must hope that his goal in Rio de Janeiro will rekindle his passion, not dampen it further. To an extent, he's won both Guardiola and the board over already, before the start of the season. Bayern's reluctance to buy another high-profile attacking midfielder can be read as a vote of confidence for him. Now he needs to reciprocate.

He could start by enraging Dortmund supporters further in the Super Cup at Signal Iduna Park on Wednesday evening. Guardiola is unlikely to play him from the beginning -- Gotze's only just returned from a lengthy holiday -- but he could come on in the second half, just as he did in his first return to his former club last November, when his 56th-minute goal broke the deadlock and paved the way for an emphatic 3-0 win by the Reds. In the long run, however, the occasional telling intervention late on in a match won't be enough.

"He has to step on the gas in his second season," club CEO Karl-Heinz Rummenigge demanded in no uncertain terms last week. "I am convinced that he's aware what's expected of him, and that he will deliver. He will now fully justify the confidence we have in him. He will become a great player at Bayern, a really great one."

This was not a prognosis nor a wish. This was meant as an order. Gotze must become the player Bayern thought they had signed 14 months ago.

http://www.espnfc.com/german-bundesliga/10/blog/post/1982355/mario-gotze-must-become-the-player-bayern-purchased----raphael-honigstein


It's going to be a hugely important season for both Götze in München and Özil in London.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:34 pm

Nice piece on Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg, the highly talented Danish youngster (19) from the Bayern academy who could have his breakthrough season and is tipped as the 'internal' replacement of Toni Kroos.

Fußball als Droge, Fußball als Therapie

Er gilt als Ausnahmetalent, will ein Unikat sein und musste auf dem Weg zum Profi-Dasein einen schrecklichen Schicksalsschlag wegstecken. Das vergangene DFB-Pokalfinale war ein persönlicher Meilenstein - jetzt soll Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg beim FC Bayern eine tragende Rolle spielen. Auch im Supercup gegen Borussia Dortmund (Mi., 17.45 Uhr im LIVE-TICKER).

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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:42 pm

Ribéry retires from international football at the age of 31. 

Like Lahm, it's too early, but unlike him, Ribéry was never fully integrated in the French team, was never liked much in France and France did pretty well without him in the WC this summer. However, you'd expect him to want to play the Euros at home at least.

Good news for Bayern regardless though.
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Post by Effenberg on Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:56 pm

Martinez apparently did his ACL in the Super Cup. Awful start to the season.

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Post by 110% on Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:36 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Ribéry retires from international football at the age of 31. 

Like Lahm, it's too early, but unlike him, Ribéry was never fully integrated in the French team, was never liked much in France and France did pretty well without him in the WC this summer. However, you'd expect him to want to play the Euros at home at least.

Good news for Bayern regardless though.

Lahm also went out on a high, winning the world cup.

Ribery makes no sense, but not much about Ribery makes sense to me. In the running for wpoty when he's never really looked like anything special while I personally have been watching Wink.

Distin also retired from international football recently:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/14/sylvain-distin-france-retirement-international-fooball
Same impact on France for me.

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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by 110% on Thu Aug 14, 2014 11:37 am

Effenberg wrote:Martinez apparently did his ACL in the Super Cup. Awful start to the season.

Maybe you could try to buy Kroos?
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Effenberg on Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:05 pm

110% wrote:
Effenberg wrote:Martinez apparently did his ACL in the Super Cup. Awful start to the season.

Maybe you could try to buy Kroos?

Yeah, because he is a hell of a defender.

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Post by 110% on Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:51 pm

Effenberg wrote:
110% wrote:
Effenberg wrote:Martinez apparently did his ACL in the Super Cup. Awful start to the season.

Maybe you could try to buy Kroos?

Yeah, because he is a hell of a defender.

Yeah, like pep would buy a defender to replace him.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:36 pm

That's actually the question now. Martinez was crucial to Pep's plan of playing a 3-4-3 system this season, Martinez on a 'libero like' position in the three man defence. Will Bayern try to replace him (for the time being) with a similar player, or will they look for a traditional defender?

Either way, still having Kroos would have certainly helped Bayern, as it's not just Martinez who is injured. Thiago will be out for another two months minimum, Schweinsteiger is injured, had a very tough WC and will likely miss the start of the season also. Most of the starting XI had a exhausting, even if successful, WC.

The kids who played in the preparation matches aren't ready for the big stage yet, at least not against strong opposition.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Effenberg on Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:23 pm

Benatia in. Amazing squad. Pep has no excuse now.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Ä on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:19 pm

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/fussball_bundesliga/newspage_943787.html

Alonso to Bayern ?!

ridiculous really

Martinez, Schweini, Thiago will all come back eventually

and what about Rode ?

was Pep not famous for supporting young talents at Barca ?


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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:30 pm

oh god i am utterly pissed, overall we pay 20 million (with fee and salary) for 2 years

so the hell thats almost 2 years of the kroos salary i am PISSSSSSSED

well the squad is great now, and the injury proned schweini/thiago have a replacement

the AIM must be the CL FINAL IN BERLIN, no excuses


rode is a good player from the bench me thinks, a type who gives everything, good to have in the squad

and gaudino is one for the future, with a possible group of death in the CL it`s maybe a good transfer, considering that schweini/thiago won`t be able to play on there heights

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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Fey on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:49 am

What an un-bayern signings, though, Benatia is a good deal, adviced Man Utd to buy him two years ago, they didnt listen as always.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by messiah on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:42 am

if winning the CL was about the team you have on paper, then like how barca should have won it every year, when we were at the top, that should be the case for Bayern now.

But that's not how it works, but the squad they are building is ridiculous I wish I had those guys in charge of barca, a world class squad around messi and iniesta, with a rested Xavi. OMG

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Post by stinger on Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:22 pm

Bayern have signed Lewandowski, Benatia, Reina, Bernat and Xabi Alonso for around £42M Yikes

Found it on twitter and even if this not includes Lewandowski signing on fee, it's quite an achievement <Ale>
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:22 pm

Ohne Hoeneß liefert Bayern sich Pep Guardiola aus

Der Transfer von Xabi Alonso und Mehdi Benatia zeigt, dass sich der FC Bayern weit von den Idealen seines einstigen Strategen Uli Hoeneß entfernt hat. Im Klub gibt nun der Trainer die Gangart vor.

Es ist schon erstaunlich, dass das jahrzehntelang so ruhig und gelassen gesteuerte Flaggschiff FC Bayern München auf einmal wie eine kleine Jolle in den Wellen schaukelt. Dass der deutsche Rekordmeister seinem Trainer Pep Guardiola jeden Wunsch erfüllt, auch wenn er gar nicht zur Vereinsphilosophie passt.

Der 27-jährige Abwehrrecke Mehdi Benatia wurde wegen der Verletzung von Javier Martínez mal eben für 26 Millionen Euro (inklusive Erfolgsprämien bis zu 30 Millionen) vom AS Rom geholt. Nach nur einer überzeugenden Saison in der Serie A. Und kurz vor Transferschluss darf es nun auch noch Altmeister Xabi Alonso sein, der im November 33 Jahre alt wird und deshalb gerade aus der spanischen Nationalmannschaft zurücktrat. Der jüngst von Trainer Carlo Ancelotti bei Real Madrid auf das Abstellgleis geschoben wurde, weil ein gewisser Toni Kroos nun die Angriffe im Mittelfeld der "Königlichen" lenken und kreieren soll.

Alonso soll zwei Jahre lang in München genauso viel kassieren, wie der 24-jährige Kroos für sich gefordert und nicht erhalten hatte. Es wird noch eine Transfersumme von zehn Millionen Euro zu entrichten sein.

Der FC Bayern hat sich nach dem unfreiwilligen Abschied seines Machers Uli Hoeneß an Guardiola ausgeliefert. Der Katalane hatte vor der Xabi-Alonso-Verpflichtung schon Ersatztorwart Reina und Verteidiger Bernat geholt und hat inzwischen fast zehn Spieler oder Betreuer mit spanischen Wurzeln im Team. Guardiola hat den Deutschen Meister zu einem kleinen FC España umgebaut.

Hoeneß wollte nicht den FC España

Hoeneß hatte einen anderen Traum – den von einem FC Bayern Deutschland, bei dem der Großteil des Münchner Teams die Nationalmannschaft bildet. Das hat er sehr gut hinbekommen, gerade wurde der FC Bayern Deutschland in Brasilien Weltmeister.

Der weitsichtige Hoeneß hätte vermutlich auch schon im Sommer eher einen hoch talentierten jungen Abwehrspieler wie Matthias Ginter vom SC Freiburg verpflichtet, statt in der Not für einen Mehdi Benatia draufzahlen zu müssen. Und Real Madrid in Sachen Toni Kroos ohnehin feixend eine Nase gedreht.

Kroos war ein Schnäppchen für Real

Seit dem Zwangsurlaub des 62-jährigen Ex-Präsidenten in der JVA Landsberg laufen viele Dinge ein wenig aus dem Ruder. Kroos wurde für vergleichsweise geringe 25 bis 30 Millionen Euro an Real Madrid verkauft, während ähnlich exzellente Profis wie der Argentinier Angel Di María oder der Kolumbianer James Rodríguez für Summen von rund 80 Millionen Euro die Klubs wechselten.

Mit Kroos verscherbelte der FCB nicht nur einen Topstar im besten Fußballeralter, er reichte ihn weiter an einen direkten internationalen Konkurrenten. Für ambitionierte Trainer und Manager der besten europäischen Klubs ist so ein Deal eigentlich ein No-Go. Real kegelte München schließlich im vergangenen Jahr im Halbfinale der Champions League aus dem Wettbewerb.

Ohne Uli Hoeneß fehlt dem Dickschiff FC Bayern ein umsichtiger Steuermann.

http://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/fc-bayern-muenchen/article131676951/Ohne-Hoeness-liefert-Bayern-sich-Pep-Guardiola-aus.html

This transfer policy wouldn't have been tolerated by Hoeness if he was still in charge, I agree with the article. Not accepting Kroos' wage demands, a 24 year old World Cup winner in his prime, and letting him go for cheap, while signing an (almost) 33 year old midfielder who will earn (at least) as much as Kroos demanded for the same position, not to mention the transfer fee on top, is beyond idiotic. It's truly astonishing how much the Bayern board have given Pep a free reign. Considering that his transfer record isn't anything to write home about (the best Barcelona players under his reign were clearly homegrown, more or less all of his signings flopped in comparison), it's even more puzzling. Would have never happened under Hoeness.

Idiotic business. Plus, Bayern are in danger of having too many Spaniards in the team, while losing their German identity. I just don't get it: Germany just won the WC with seven (!) Bayern players starting in almost every match, yet it's the Germans that are being marginalised or even sent packing.

Bayern better hope that Hoeness comes back from jail very soon.
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Re: BAYERN 2014/15

Post by Kroos on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:17 pm

come on

martinez and thiago were already there

bernat can only bench alaba^^

reina will never play

and alonso is an old expensive backup for schweinsteiger

thats 2 1/2 spanish players with good chances to play, with one of them out for 6 months

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selling Kroos was stupid, but bayern has with lahm and alaba 2 CM`s, who will play in midfield with our new back 3 + thiago and schweini

still we got 30 million
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:24 pm

5 Spaniards Kroos. When Pep signed you only had one. Can you guarantee who will get playing time and who doesn't? But that's not even the point. The point is that Bayern under Pep don't seem to even consider signing Germans anymore, with the exception of Reus, if you can call that shit stirring by Rummenigge genuine interest that is. Knowing Hoeness, he would have definitely intervened by now. Plus, Bayern had a clear policy of not signing thirty somethings and if they did, not giving them long contracts, especially not such lucrative ones.

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Post by Kroos on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:31 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:5 Spaniards Kroos. When Pep signed you only had one. Can you guarantee who will get playing time and who doesn't? But that's not even the point. The point is that Bayern under Pep don't seem to even consider signing Germans anymore, with the exception of Reus, if you can call that shit stirring by Rummenigge genuine interest that is. Knowing Hoeness, he would have definitely intervened by now. Plus, Bayern had a clear policy of not signing thirty somethings and if they did, not giving them long contracts, especially not such lucrative ones.


alonso is a good deal, bayern has the group of death in the CL, with schweinsteiger and thiago out of action = good deal right now


yeah 5 spaniards, whats the difference between spaniards and other nationalities

bayers squad is filled with foreign players, only 7-8 german team players, but those are the core for the german team (so high quality players) i am not worried about the current situation in having to many spaniards

and which german player should bayern have signed instead of bernat, alonso? i don`t see anyone available with the class
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Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:37 pm

The difference is that you have a Spaniard in charge. It's called "Blockbildung" and there are some really bad examples for this in history, e.g. Barcelona under Van Gaal and the Dutch block.

Alonso is a shitty deal because he would have never been necessary if you hadn't lost Kroos. Alonso will earn more than Kroos demanded. Alonso is freaking 32 years old, almost 33, just retired from international football and was more or less second choice at his club. If Kroos had stayed, Alonso would have never been necessary. The club should have at least considered this, knowing how they always struggled after a WC.


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