2014 World Cup Semi Finals

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Kimbo

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:35 pm

110% wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Roger Hunt wrote:
Axeslammer wrote: Have to say it again : never rated him until yesterday.

 Yikes 

Best DM in the world over the last 10 years. Despite being played out of position at his club for the last 5.

He just looked like another Gattuso while he played in England, now I think he is a better version of Gattuso.

But Gattuso was also one of the best DMs in the world in that period. The problem is that the bar is not very high for running a lot, kicking people and mouthing off in the last 10 years.  Who else was there? Mikel, Flamini, Busquets, Diarra, doesn't really seem like anyone that outstanding.

Can't say I ever rated Gattuso highly, he just ran around kicking people and acting like a fanny when it was given back to him.

Makelele was a couple of levels above anyone mentioned here IMO.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:37 pm

Kimbo wrote:
110% wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Roger Hunt wrote:
Axeslammer wrote: Have to say it again : never rated him until yesterday.

 Yikes 

Best DM in the world over the last 10 years. Despite being played out of position at his club for the last 5.

He just looked like another Gattuso while he played in England, now I think he is a better version of Gattuso.

But Gattuso was also one of the best DMs in the world in that period. The problem is that the bar is not very high for running a lot, kicking people and mouthing off in the last 10 years.  Who else was there? Mikel, Flamini, Busquets, Diarra, doesn't really seem like anyone that outstanding.

Can't say I ever rated Gattuso highly, he just ran around kicking people and acting like a fanny when it was given back to him.

Makelele was a couple of levels above anyone mentioned here IMO.

This is true of Gattuso pre - 2003. Once Ancelotti joined Milan, i think Gattuso improved alot in terms of positioning and passing.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Jaime on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:39 pm

Makelele. Doh

The most overrated player in the history of football.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:41 pm

 
Jaime wrote:Makelele. Doh

The most overrated player in the history of football.

"The Makelele role" - as if Makelele was the first defensive midfielder ever. Doh
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Jaime on Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:56 pm

BoBo Vieri 32 wrote: 
Jaime wrote:Makelele. Doh

The most overrated player in the history of football.

"The Makelele role" - as if Makelele was the first defensive midfielder ever. Doh

Ale

I drives me mad the way they talk about him.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Kimbo on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:02 pm

I never mentioned the "Makelele role", generally I prefer midfielders that aren't so limited to one role so I don't rate any of these players that highly, but he was a player that was strong defensively without having to hack and make last ditch tackles. Some of these players are just Tiote without the brain farts.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Jaime on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:08 pm

Kimbo wrote:I never mentioned the "Makelele role", generally I prefer midfielders that aren't so limited to one role so I don't rate any of these players that highly, but he was a player that was strong defensively without having to hack and make last ditch tackles. Some of these players are just Tiote without the brain farts.

Maybe not you but plenty of people do!

His best attribute was his ability to read the game. He intercepted a lot of passes. But honestly the reason he won so many balls is because he lost so many with bad passes to begin with. His ball recovery to bad pass ratio in Real Madrid was nearly 1:2. His only hope was to win the ball and just let Zidane take over the ball.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by blutgraetsche on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:11 pm

Sammer defined the role of a modern defensive midfielder. A successor to, but quite different to the "liberos" of old.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Jaime on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:23 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Sammer defined the role of a modern defensive midfielder. A successor to, but quite different to the "liberos" of old.

Sammer, Rijkaard, Redondo, etc. There were plenty of better more influential players in that position than Claude f*cking Makelele.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by messiah on Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:27 pm

Jaime wrote:
S4P wrote:
messiah wrote:Mascherano was an absolute beast today

Infinitely better than Busquets. Maybe Barca will finally start playing him in his best position

ok

That's what I was saying to a friend, but no, they will never play him ahead of Busquets because he doesn't have "Barsa DNA" and that is fine by me. It is their loss.

I wanted Mascherano to replace Makelele when he left but we went for Gravesen instead. Doh  


Yep our lost which is why we have dominated football with busquets in DM role and spain the same

 lol! lol! lol! 
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by shazlx on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:14 pm

S4P wrote:
messiah wrote:Mascherano was an absolute beast today

Infinitely better than Busquets. Maybe Barca will finally start playing him in his best position
Not infinitely. Busquets is amazing at cleaning up loose passes, good interceptions, and pressuring oppositions. He's incredibly composed under any pressure and is a wicked first time passer. He's not good at tracking counter attacks and battling which Mascherano is infinitely better at. Those are JM's specialities though and has enough limitations that I don't really rate him as a top al round midfielder. Too much of a specialist. But yeah, possibly the best pure DM around.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by shazlx on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:18 pm

Roger Hunt wrote:
Axeslammer wrote: Have to say it again : never rated him until yesterday.

 Yikes 

Best DM in the world over the last 10 years. Despite being played out of position at his club for the last 5.
Nope, Essien was better, as was Makelle, Toure when he played there for Barca, Martinez now, and I would prefer schweinsteiger and Gundogun there too.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by shazlx on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:19 pm

Kimbo wrote:
110% wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Roger Hunt wrote:
Axeslammer wrote: Have to say it again : never rated him until yesterday.

 Yikes 

Best DM in the world over the last 10 years. Despite being played out of position at his club for the last 5.

He just looked like another Gattuso while he played in England, now I think he is a better version of Gattuso.

But Gattuso was also one of the best DMs in the world in that period. The problem is that the bar is not very high for running a lot, kicking people and mouthing off in the last 10 years.  Who else was there? Mikel, Flamini, Busquets, Diarra, doesn't really seem like anyone that outstanding.

Can't say I ever rated Gattuso highly, he just ran around kicking people and acting like a fanny when it was given back to him.

Makelele was a couple of levels above anyone mentioned here IMO.
ok
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by shazlx on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:20 pm

Jaime wrote:
BoBo Vieri 32 wrote: 
Jaime wrote:Makelele. Doh

The most overrated player in the history of football.

"The Makelele role" - as if Makelele was the first defensive midfielder ever. Doh

Ale

I drives me mad the way they talk about him.
Brilliant short passer under any pressure ok
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Jaime on Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:47 pm

shazlx wrote:
Jaime wrote:
BoBo Vieri 32 wrote: 
Jaime wrote:Makelele. Doh

The most overrated player in the history of football.

"The Makelele role" - as if Makelele was the first defensive midfielder ever. Doh

Ale

I drives me mad the way they talk about him.
Brilliant short passer under any pressure ok

Short. As in 5 cm. That's about all he could handle.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Isco Benny on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:16 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
Isco Benny wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Revenge is a dish best served cold. <Ale>


Youre going to be unbearable arent you? Laughing


Hah... Says the guy who supports the team that made a fucking DVD out of a qualification match. I wonder if any of you fuckers would have reacted in the way the German fans reacted on here.

No, I don't.

Yowsers, there's that famous Germanic humour lol!

Chill yer beans Blutty. Has supporting Bremen made you THIS uppity. You just beat Brail 7-1 FFS!

And of course we made a fucking DVD out of that qualification match, that's what happens when you're told you're crap for over half a century, you take whatever opportunity you can get.

Germans. The Man United fans of International Football (remember when they got annoyed they won the title early because they wanted to do it at Manchester City) Rolling Eyes

...Well, not Antarion. He's the boss man.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:08 am

What? The comparison makes no sense whatsoever. Actually, you don't make any sense whatsoever. The Californian sun seems to have had a devastating effect on someone who was raised with "liquid sunshine" all his life. You need London fog like Dracula needs his coffin, haven't been yourself for a long time.

And chill, we still haven't won anything yet.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Fey on Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:52 am

You both support ridiculous clubs, I wonder how Bluts tears of joy taste? Will they make a good Blutty Bernie?

Speaking of tears. Robbens kid was crying yesterday, obviously, but a Belgian commentator thought that was so sad..he went crying himself Laughing




Good neighbours that they are, Rethy would never do that...

Speaking of commentators, did the BBC already noticed they announced the German anthem, as Deutschland uber alles? That was so funny! And it made me hope they changed it back, but it was just a slip of the tongue it seems.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:37 am

You have Rutten as your manager, enough said!

What's up with Dutch and Belgian players trash talking Argentina after defeat, saying how shit they are and how a better team (name: Germany) will win easily against them? Not exactly good losers these lowlanders, are they?
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:02 am

Did Ron Vlaar’s penalty in World Cup semi-final cross the line?

The Holland defender’s penalty was initially saved by Argentina’s Sergio Romero – but did it cross the line after bouncing?

When Sergio Romero wheeled away in celebration and the realisation hit Ron Vlaar that his failure to convert Holland’s first penalty had given Argentina an immediate advantage in Thursday night’s penalty shootout, the main broadcast feed cut to scenes of Dutch despair.

But alternative footage has appeared online which shows the ball rolling towards goal – spawning questions over whether his effort crossed the line or stopped millimetres short.

The Aston Villa defender can be seen gesturing to the referee, Cuneyt Cakir, who refuses to entertain his plea.



Vlaar, who performed brilliantly to keep Gonzalo Higuaín quiet through 120 minutes, was a surprise choice to take Holland’s first kick and struck his penalty straight down the middle, allowing the Argentina keeper to save.



Yet there is also a question over whether the ball touched Vlaar’s shoulder after bouncing.

It is difficult to be certain but this clip from a reverse angle suggests Vlaar dipped his shoulder just in time.



Rules state that the referee must wait for the ball to complete its path but Cakir did not make any attempt to check whether it had indeed crossed the line, presumably because his GoalControl technology would have detected the ball crossing the line.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/10/ron-vlaar-penalty-world-cup-semi-final-holland-argentina


So....did the ball cross the line? Were Holland robbed? Should the match be played again?

Discuss...

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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by 110% on Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:47 am

Another massive refereeing blunder  <Ale>

Was the hawkeye thing turned off or what? Surely it should have have come up "No goal", then "Goal", making Stuart Pearce go mad.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by debaser on Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:56 pm



https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/CB68C9FC341099211519876886528_2a27f19dfab.1.0.1653498167747453877.mp4?versionId=10ppZVZ20JSjZeM3ta8szjDOtzLHjc7w

came damn close. but another video shows it touched Vlaar to cause the spin back so it wouldn't have counted either way..
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by Fey on Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:23 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:You have Rutten as your manager, enough said!

What's up with Dutch and Belgian players trash talking Argentina after defeat, saying how shit they are and how a better team (name: Germany) will win easily against them? Not exactly good losers these lowlanders, are they?

You have Dutt! That's even worse!

All the Dutch speakers are right, Argentina is gash! And both should have attacked them more, cause they hardly have the pace to counter you.
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Re: 2014 World Cup Semi Finals

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jul 11, 2014 5:43 pm

They have plenty of pace. Lavezzi, Messi, Di Maria etc. They are very well organised, park the bus quite effectively, and have world class forwards to hurt you, if given space. And they'll have more space against us than against you, as we won't have a bank of 6 sitting deep all the time.

It's going to be a difficult match, we'll have to be alert and sharp.

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