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DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:11 pm

You try hard, we're just cool the way we are. Difference between Holland and Germany in a nutshell.
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by Fey on Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:07 pm

No you are less individualistic due to your Ossi ddr past. Thats something else, we are a lot cooler mind.
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:35 pm

Seeing Casillas so helpless after a season in which he only played a few games, i have a bad feeling about playing a half fit Neuer vs. Portugal. Could end in a disaster also.
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Post by Effenberg on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:43 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Seeing Casillas so helpless after a season in which he only played a few games, i have a bad feeling about playing a half fit Neuer vs. Portugal. Could end in a disaster also.

Neuer is fine. He played the entire season! If this injury had happened in the middle of the season, he'd have sat out a game, maybe two, and nobody would have made a fuss. What is it about the World Cup that makes people so neurotic?
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by blutgraetsche on Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:50 pm

Nothing neurotic about that concern. It was a rather serious injury and he is lacking match practice. Neuer is not Casillas and hence far from being over the hill, but match practice is important. He needs to be at 100% from the start, and that is a risk.
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by Fey on Sat Jun 14, 2014 8:54 pm

Kroos wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Brazilians are falling in love with Germany. They are number 1 here in sympathy. It would be natural for Brazilians to support Portugal due to cultural affinity and to the fact that Germany is a bigger threat as a team, but now I think most Brazilians will choose Germany during the game.

really? thats cool  cheers 


but sometimes it`s better to be the most hated nation  Evil or Very Mad 


also DI CAPRIO arrived in Rio, he is half german, and like in 2010 he will again support US  cheers 




 Smile
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Post by Fey on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:01 pm









Silly Germans and their pets!  Laughing
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Post by Antarion on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:10 pm

Fey wrote:
Kroos wrote:
mongrel hawk wrote:Brazilians are falling in love with Germany. They are number 1 here in sympathy. It would be natural for Brazilians to support Portugal due to cultural affinity and to the fact that Germany is a bigger threat as a team, but now I think most Brazilians will choose Germany during the game.

really? thats cool  cheers 


but sometimes it`s better to be the most hated nation  Evil or Very Mad 


also DI CAPRIO arrived in Rio, he is half german, and like in 2010 he will again support US  cheers 




 Smile

he's undercover. can't you see it?  Smile 
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Post by Antarion on Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:11 pm

Fey wrote:

Silly Germans and their pets!  Laughing

Now you know why cats are my favourite pets.
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Post by ERIK LAMELA on Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:13 pm

Just shows the Germans have gone soft. What would Otto say about those photos? They are symptomatic of the feminisation of Germany, from which Die Mannschaft is not exempt.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:22 pm

That cat looks pretty "masculine" to me. I bet even the bowl it feeds from is made of Kruppstahl.
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:35 am

With this mentality, that is shared by the Germany staff and even some players unfortunately, it's no wonder that we won't win fuck all for years to come...


Kommentar zum deutschen Team: Der Titel ist kein Muss

Dreimal hintereinander hat es die deutsche Nationalmannschaft zuletzt bei einer WM mindestens ins Halbfinale geschafft. In Brasilien soll, nein: muss nun mindestens das Gleiche rausspringen. Warum eigentlich?

Am Abend beginnt auch für die deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft endlich die WM, gegen Portugal hofft die Mannschaft von Joachim Löw auf einen guten Start.

Für viele ist die Portugiesen-Partie nur eine Etappe auf dem Weg ins Finale. "Joachim Löw muss sich am Titel messen lassen", schrieb Michael Ballack in der "Mopo". "Ich glaube, der Zeitpunkt ist jetzt da", sagte Jürgen Klinsmann in der "Sportbild". Und Franz Beckenbauer? "Wenn nicht jetzt…?" fragte er rhetorisch bei Sky, denn: Nie habe eine deutsche Mannschaft eine bessere Qualität gehabt.

Das einhellige Urteil dieser Fußball-Granden: Deutschland muss Weltmeister werden. Jetzt. Und Sie? Was glauben Sie?

2002: Finale. 2006: Halbfinale. 2010: Halbfinale. Sind Sie auch der Meinung, dass es Zeit ist für ganz oben? Glauben Sie auch, dass die deutsche Mannschaft jetzt dran ist? Stimmen Sie Franz Beckenbauer zu, dass das Team im Vergleich mit 2010 "jetzt viel mehr Erfahrung" hat und "am Zenit" ist? Muss Deutschland Weltmeister werden?

Ich glaube, die deutsche Mannschaft kann Weltmeister werden. Aber sie muss nicht.

Denn der Fußball ist kein Modell, in dem man nur konstant die eigene Leistung verbessert und am Ende automatisch vorn landet. Es gibt im modernen Fußball kein absehbares Ende eines planbaren Weges, kein Anrecht auf den höchsten Erfolg. Nur im Modell verharrt die Konkurrenz auf dem Status quo. In der Realität verbessern sich auch die anderen, manchmal sogar schneller als man selbst.

Siegenthalers Warnung

Wer glaubt, dass der WM-Titel jetzt geholt werden muss, der sollte dem deutschen Chefscout zuhören. Urs Siegenthaler sagt: "Die ganz großen Mannschaften machen momentan wieder einen Sprung, da müssen wir wachsam sein." Siegenthaler spricht nicht vom Titel, er warnt, dass Deutschland abgehängt werden könnte.

Der moderne Weltfußball sieht fünf, sechs, sieben Mannschaften auf dem taktisch, technisch und physisch höchsten Niveau, neben Deutschland sind das Brasilien, Argentinien, Italien, Spanien, knapp dahinter noch Frankreich, die Niederlande, England, und bald vielleicht auch Belgien. Zu diesem Zirkel zu gehören, ist ein Erfolg, auf den man stolz sein kann. Innerhalb dieses Zirkels der Beste zu sein, kann ein Wunsch sein, aber nie ein Muss.

Deutschland muss bei dieser WM nicht Weltmeister werden. Die Mannschaft muss nicht mal das Finale erreichen oder das Halbfinale. Selbst bei einem Viertelfinalaus könnte es immer noch eine gute WM gewesen sein. Es kommt nur darauf an, wie die Mannschaft ausscheidet. Denn alles, was das DFB-Team um Joachim Löw muss, ist: alles geben. Und viel Glück haben.

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/wm-2014-kommentar-zu-deutschlands-titelchancen-a-975342.html
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:16 am

Good article on Ronaldo and how he has evolved his game in recent years, particularly his off the ball movement, making him the best player in the world. Unfortunately, German only.

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/wm/wm2014/1406/Artikel/portugal-cristiano-ronaldo-neue-spielweise-meister-konterspiel-antizipation-bester-spieler-der-welt-deutschland.html

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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:37 am

Ralf Rangnick: "Özil hasn't evolved his game tactically in the last few years. A very gifted player, but his defensive game ("Spiel gegen den Ball") has huge weaknesses."

Rangnick indirectly criticises Wenger also: "Özil would be a more complete player today if he had moved to Dortmund or Bayern two years ago."

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/dfb-team/1406/News/ralf-rangnick-kritisiert-mesut-oezil-nationalmannschaft-deutschland-portugal-wm-2014.html

Harsh, but there is some truth in it.
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Re: DIE WELTMEISTER!!

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 12:59 pm

Interview with Urs Siegenthaler (Löw's influential advisor):

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wm2014/In-Manaus-erwartet-das-Schweizer-Team-die-Hoelle/story/21044884?dossier_id=2697
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Post by Antarion on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:15 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Interview with Urs Siegenthaler (Löw's influential advisor):

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/wm2014/In-Manaus-erwartet-das-Schweizer-Team-die-Hoelle/story/21044884?dossier_id=2697

Similar to the other interview i linked in this thread with him.
Those are super insightful. Really good read.

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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 1:31 pm

Tonight is Germany's 100th World Cup game. Germany is the first country to reach that mark.  Brazil will reach that mark in this tournament also, as they've played 2 games less than Germany. However, they played in two more World Cups than Germany did.

See FiFA WC all time table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup
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Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:59 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Tonight is Germany's 100th World Cup game. Germany is the first country to reach that mark.  Brazil will reach that mark in this tournament also, as they've played 2 games less than Germany. However, they played in two more World Cups than Germany did.

See FiFA WC all time table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup

But Brazil scored more and won more points.  Wink 

Good luck today in my birth town. I have a simpathy for Germany and also for Portugal, so I won't cheer for anyone.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:01 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Tonight is Germany's 100th World Cup game. Germany is the first country to reach that mark.  Brazil will reach that mark in this tournament also, as they've played 2 games less than Germany. However, they played in two more World Cups than Germany did.

See FiFA WC all time table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup

Italy will need at least 4 WCs to reach 100 games.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:06 pm

Who cares about points - Brazil won more titles, that's what really counts. Germany just has been extremely consistent over the years, but lost too many finals.

We'll overtake Brazil on the scoring in future. Smile

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Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:09 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Who cares about points - Brazil won more titles, that's what really counts. Germany just has been extremely consistent over the years, but lost too many finals.

We'll overtake Brazil on the scoring in future. Smile


You can do it today if you score more than 4.
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Post by mongrel hawk on Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:11 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Who cares about points - Brazil won more titles, that's what really counts. Germany just has been extremely consistent over the years, but lost too many finals.

We'll overtake Brazil on the scoring in future. Smile


You can do it today if you score more than 4.

But strangely Germany conceded 29 goals more than Brazil (another myth going down).
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Post by bluenine on Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:05 pm

mongrel hawk wrote:
blutgraetsche wrote:Tonight is Germany's 100th World Cup game. Germany is the first country to reach that mark.  Brazil will reach that mark in this tournament also, as they've played 2 games less than Germany. However, they played in two more World Cups than Germany did.

See FiFA WC all time table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_table_of_the_FIFA_World_Cup

Italy will need at least 4 WCs to reach 100 games.

True, but Italy just needs to win this world cup to match Brasil's 5. That is all that matters, doesn't it?
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Post by Antarion on Mon Jun 16, 2014 5:50 pm

It is blue, of course.

But being consistent and always going far is also nice. I like statistics.

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Post by Fey on Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:26 pm

Holland 4th!! When you put it on points a game.

Anyway, I just love how slow Low is learning. He just goes by the systems as games goes by. But today it's 4-3-3. And that's always a good system in my eyes. Must be because he saw van Gaal out there I guess.

Also, im gonna help him a bit more now. If I were him I would play the 1995 version from the c**ts.

------------Neuer-----------
Lahm-----Howedes--Hummels---Boateng
--------Schweini------Kroos-----
------------Ozil/Gotze/Kroos------------------
Mueller------Gotze/Klose------Reus/Schurrle

Not sure if that's the best 11 Low can field, but it's imo the best system that suits the squad. And the later should always be of most importance.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:01 pm

Looks like Hummels is not seriously injured. That's a relief, we need him. Very good match by him today.
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Post by Kroos on Tue Jun 17, 2014 7:32 am

Fey wrote:
------------Neuer-----------
Lahm-----Howedes--Hummels---Boateng
--------Schweini------Kroos-----
------------Ozil/Gotze/Kroos------------------
Mueller------Gotze/Klose------Reus/Schurrle

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i don`t think thats an option

this would be an 4-2-3-1

now we play 4-3-3 with 3 hardworking midfielders, put özil on the 10 and you have just 2 hardworking players, also it`s easy to take özil out of the game, now he feels not the pressure, its a bit like Miki for Dortmund, the pressure was to huge, so klopp put him on the flank


özil/götze on the  flank is like playing with 5 midfielders, like italy or spain do, both provide some genius, pace and dribbling skills, while the likes of schürrle and poldi mostly add pace and goal threat, perfect for the bench role

---------------lahm(kramer)
khedira(kramer)--------------kroos/schweini

schürrle/özil------müller/klose-------götze/poldi
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Post by blutgraetsche on Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:14 am

I was positively surprised about Khedira yesterday, thought he had a good match, too. Lahm in central midfield covering for them gets the best of Kroos, Khedira and Schweinsteiger, who are no DMs, but #8s. Löw has finally understood this. As I said before the match yesterday, playing a 4-3-3 system suits Germany, we had to re-inforce the center against counter attacks. As a consequence, our defence looked very comfortable, too, Hummels in particular.

Lahm looked bad a few times in the beginning of the match, but got hold of himself later on and played well, too. Hope he got used to his new role now and that he doesn't take those naps in future...

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