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Post by Effenberg on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:35 pm

Same here. Bonkers.
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Post by BoBo Vieri 32 on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:58 pm

so is lowe still a crap manager? still wish you had prandelli?
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:04 am

Löw will only be held in high regard by me and 80 million Germans if he wins the Cup. If he pulls it off however, it'll be one of the greatest achievements not just in German, but European football, and I will gladly eat that humble pie.

But nothing won yet.
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Post by Fey on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:06 am

He has a great squad, only Spain and Belgium have a better squad, and they are out..so..
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:12 am

Belgium... lol!

But I'll bite because I'm in a good mood. He has excellent players, but Germany had a lot of injuries, too. It's time to win though, time to make that final step. Nothing else matters.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:29 am

Can't sleep. What did actually happen tonight? Unbelievable...
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Post by The Chosen Glenn on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:32 am

Brazil aren't awful. Neymar and Silva would get in the England team, no probs.

Belgium's squad looks like Nigeria '94 and Portugal 2000 had a baby.

Presumably after (misogynistic/racist joke deleted)
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Post by debaser on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:40 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Can't sleep. What did actually happen tonight? Unbelievable...

lemme guess, you're just running that moment when Neuer got annoyed about conceding over & over in your head Magic 
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:48 am

Laughing

You'll never understand debbie. The moment England understands this is the moment you'll truly challenge and maybe even win again. The Dutch seem to have understood. <Ale>

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Post by Brian 2468 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:50 am

Fey wrote:He has a great squad, only Spain and Belgium have a better squad, and they are out..so..

And both also lacked goalscorers... Rolling Eyes 

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Post by Brian 2468 on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:57 am

What a meltdown, Germany blew them off the football planet. The good thing is you know this was a one off game unless off course you play Argentina they may melt also not to the degree of the host but possible. Holland would be the right suitor for a better final.
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Post by debaser on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:11 am

blutgraetsche wrote:Laughing

You'll never understand debbie. The moment England understands this is the moment you'll truly challenge and maybe even win again. The Dutch seem to have understood. <Ale>

I can easily understand admiration for the perfectionist winning mentality encapsulated in that moment. but I will never understand you calling that the best moment of the match. 'cause it just wasn't! I mean, will you even relax and enjoy it if you win the damn thing or will it be straight onto 'this means nothing unless we also win in 2016 and 2018 and...'?  Razz 
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:20 am

Only if we win the damn thing I will relax, yes!

But for that to happen, we still have one very tough game to win. That's why Neuer's reaction was so great, because it clearly shows that he is not satisfied yet, or even complacent. That's what we need.

This match means nothing on Sunday. Yes, it was great, historic and what not, it was brilliant, but on Sunday it'll be a completely different game.
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Post by messiah on Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:45 am

So I guess the problem wasn't so much low as it was spain and Italy
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Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:11 am

Germany put their big boy pants on and re-discovered their ruthlessness.

And also the leaders set the tone for the team like Muller, Kroos & Neuer. Lahm is captain in name only.
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Post by Xavier on Wed Jul 09, 2014 6:18 am

All I keep hearing is how good Khedira was.... again the best player on the field, for both club & country, is ignored for lesser players... I am referring of course to Toni Kroos, who was intimately involved in every one of Germany's first four goals.

Bayern Munich will be a lesser team if they do indeed offload him this Summer...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:30 am

messiah wrote:So I guess the problem wasn't so much low as it was spain and Italy

No, it's not that simple.

2006: lost against a more experienced, way more street smart Italian team with more quality throughout. Home advantage made it a close affair, but nobody really blamed Löw (or rather Klinsmann) for the loss

2008: again, lost against a much better Spanish team with way more quality throughout. The result didn't do the match justice, Germany were simply outclassed. Again, Löw was not blamed

2010: Germany had a very young, very inexperienced, but extremely talented generation of players playing their first major senior tournament together. They lost against a way more experienced Spanish team in the semis with more proven quality. Löw however could be blamed for his total failure in motivating his players for the match, talking up Spain in pre-match interviews all the time (as if that was really necessary), instead of focusing on our own strengths. Löw was not really blamed for this loss either, but questions were made about his coaching skills for the first time.

2012: This one was a total failure by Löw of epic proportions, especially considering thet talent at his proposal. He played Toni Kroos on the left wing as a replacement for Reus and gave him instructions to man mark Pirlo vs. Italy in the semis. Toni Kroos that is! Löw basically decapitated his own team by trying to neutralise Italy's strengths. It totally backfired and caused a huge uproar in Germany. Löw was heavily criticised for good reason and took the blame for it, again for good reason. Plus, he totally failed to bring the hostile Bayern and Dortmund fractions in the team together for a common cause, the atmosphere in the team was awful throughout the tournament.


Add his extreme dogmatism and stubbornness (failing to solidify the defence for ages, his neglect of set pieces that have proven so useful in this tournament etc. etc.), something that was most obvious in that epic meltdown vs. Sweden (4-4 after a 4-0 lead) in the WC 2014 qualification, and you have a ton of reasons why Löw was the problem for years also. Not the only one, but a big one.

This year, he seems to have understood that dogmatism gets you nowhere, that sometimes pragmatism makes a lot of sense and that set pieces are not a waste of time, after his assistant coach convinced him to train them for the first time. If he wins the WC, and that's everything that really counts, he has proven that he finally learned from his mistakes and became a better coach in the process.
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:34 am

Brazil have no answer to might of Toni Kroos’s control for Germany

This World Cup semi-final was billed as a clash of Brazil’s physique and Germany’s technique but in the end the victors had far far too much of both

Michael Cox





Sometimes, huge thrashings paint an artificial picture of a team’s dominance there was nothing to mitigate this Brazilian capitulation no caveats, no excuses, no disclaimers.

Scorelines of 7-1 happen so infrequently in modern football that it’s difficult to find any comparisons, but if there was ever a “true” 7-1, this was it. This will become one of the most famous thrashings in the history of football, partly because of the unprecedented nature of the scoreline at such a stage of the World Cup, but also because the result entirely reflected the gulf in class between the sides.

Brazil were 5-0 down within half an hour, but their first warning came after just five minutes. The initial problem was in their left-back zone, where Marcelo abandoned the steady, reserved role he had previously played throughout this competition. Instead, he pushed forward to become a rampaging, attack-minded wing-back, with holding midfielder Luiz Gustavo, accustomed to dropping back into the defence, theoretically covering.

The plan failed immediately. Thomas Müller sprinted past Marcelo into oceans of space as Miroslav Klose received the ball with his back to goal, but Klose did not spot the run, and therefore didn’t play the pass. Muller screamed at him, furious he had been denied a golden opportunity in the opening stages of what seemed likely to be a tight, tense game. He should not have bothered – he had plenty more chances over the course of these staggering 90 minutes.

Brazil, and Marcelo in particular, did not learn their lesson. Five minutes later, Marcelo received a short backwards pass from Hulk deep inside the opposition half, and attempted peculiar, stepover-cum-pass, which conceded possession unnecessarily. Sami Khedira and Toni Kroos broke down the right, and Marcelo raced back to tackle, conceding a corner (which resulted in Müller’s opener). The Brazil left-back raised his hands to his team-mates, apologising for his mistake. Twenty minutes later, Brazil were 5-0 down and he needed to apologise for so much more.

Everything came from his left-back zone. The second goal started with Müller and Philipp Lahm combining on Germany’s right flank, and ended with Müller drifting inside, outwitting Marcelo and teeing up Klose. The third arrived once Mesut Özil drifted across to join the party, with Lahm squaring for Kroos – the right-back would later do the same for the sixth goal, scored by substitute André Schürrle. In fairness, Marcelo lacked any kind of support from ahead, this Brazil side ludicrously broken with no defensive support from the attackers, but his individual display was extraordinarily poor, with David Luiz not too much better.

As impressive as Germany’s counter-attacking was the way they proactively and confidently nullified Brazil’s passing. Their high defensive line, in combination with Manuel Neuer’s aggressive sweeping, had been brilliantly effective but slightly risky in the narrow 2-1 extra-time victory over Algeria in the second round. But it was perfect for playing against Fred, a slow, sluggish striker who did not offer an out-ball. He simply offered nothing, Brazil were unable to relieve the pressure, and Germany kept on coming.

In turn, Germany’s midfield could push up and press Brazil: Toni Kroos got tight to Fernandinho, Khedira shut down Luiz Gustavo. The fourth goal was a perfect example, with Kroos dispossessing Fernandinho, playing a one-two with Khedira, and converting into an empty net. Khedira hit the fifth, finding himself through on goal almost by accident, as Germany’s task had become so simple.

Brazil’s only attacking approach was David Luiz thumping huge diagonal balls, bypassing the midfield zone where his team-mates were being humiliated. Oscar did not know how to position himself, first trying to sneak in behind Bastian Schweinsteiger but later realising he was required in much deeper areas.

Before the game, this seemed a clash of styles. Brazil are an extremely physical, aggressive side who progressed from the quarter-final stage by cynically kicking Colombia’s talented No10 James Rodríguez out of the game. Germany, on the other hand, are technical, skilful, creative and patient. The tactical battle was surely about which side could put their stamp upon the contest.

But that dichotomy does not do justice to this German side. They are a hybrid: technically impressive but physically imposing too, and the combination of their neat counter-attacking and their exhausting pressing meant they completely overwhelmed the hosts. Germany were better technically, physically, tactically and, perhaps more than anything else, psychologically. Brazil cracked at an early stage, perhaps feeling the pressure and, increasingly, the embarrassment.

If one man summed up the German performance it was Kroos, the archetypal all-round midfielder. He’s a brilliantly inventive playmaker , capable of spreading neat passes out to the flanks and playing precise penetrative passes. But he is not a slight, slender 5’7 lightweight, he is a 6’0, incredibly powerful heavyweight. He was up for the battle, then showed off his skills.

“Kroos is a wonderful player,” said no less an authority than Johan Cruyff earlier this week. “He’s doing everything right: the pace in his passes is great and he sees everything. It’s nearly perfect.” That description sums up Germany’s performance, down to the “nearly”, only the late concession of Oscar’s goal prevented this from being absolutely, 100% perfect.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/jul/08/brazil-germany-world-cup-toni-kroos
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Post by Xavier on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:11 am

That's more like it  <Ale> 

Going to miss seeing him play in the Bundesliga....
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:14 am

Me, too. I hope all those idiots who never appreciated him in this country will now understand what they will be missing, particularly the Bayern fans

Ever since I saw him set the U17 WC alight, being magnificent throughout and winning the best player of the tournament award, I knew that he was destined for greatness. Best of luck in Madrid Toni, hope the club and their fans will appreciate you more there. Ale

P.S.: Kroos was born and raised in Northern Germany (Rostock to be precise), his brother plays for Werder. He was a Werder fan as a kid and his idol was Johan Micoud.
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Post by Antarion on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:48 am

Yeah still baffled about letting Kroos go, with Bastian getting older and injury prone. Would have liked to see him abroad instead (as much as I like him). But Kroos is the future.
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Post by Axeslammer on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:50 am

Still don't know if I should congratulate the Germans on here, somehow it the victory seems almost too emberassing to talk about.

Icky because it felt more like a mugging then a match...then again : that was absolutely not Germany's fault.

So congrats it is ! Ale

Great news : German officials know that some things are more important than leading the nation
http://www.nu.nl/opmerkelijk/3823409/duitse-staatssecretaris-wil-tijdens-wk-vlag-dienstauto.html

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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:50 am

Antarion wrote:Yeah still baffled about letting Kroos go, with Bastian getting older and injury prone. Would have liked to see him abroad instead (as much as I like him). But Kroos is the future.

Don't forget Gündogan, who'll hopefully play football again next season and regain that unbelievable form he had prior to his injury. At the top of his game, he is just as good as Kroos is IMHO, a brilliant midfielder.

Have to give Khedira and Bastian credit for yesterday though, both played very well. It was Khedira's best match ever in a Germany shirt I thought.


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Post by Axeslammer on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:51 am

Antarion wrote:But Kroos is the future.

Not anymore : Madrid is a graveyard for talent...
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:54 am

Axeslammer wrote:Still don't know if I should congratulate the Germans on here, somehow it the victory seems almost too emberassing to talk about.

Icky because it felt more like a mugging then a match...then again : that was absolutely not Germany's fault.

So congrats it is ! Ale

Great news : German officials know that some things are more important than leading the nation
http://www.nu.nl/opmerkelijk/3823409/duitse-staatssecretaris-wil-tijdens-wk-vlag-dienstauto.html

Wink

Yeah, it was surreal to be honest. The German commentator and even the news anchor in the half time break were almost embarrassed. The news anchor even said that he hopes for a consolation goal for Brazil later on, so people in Brazil can feel a bit of joy.

I just couldn't believe what happened. Sat there like a zombie, staring at the TV and just wondering what had just happened. Weird, weird night.
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Post by Antarion on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:09 am

blutgraetsche wrote:
Antarion wrote:Yeah still baffled about letting Kroos go, with Bastian getting older and injury prone. Would have liked to see him abroad instead (as much as I like him). But Kroos is the future.

Don't forget Gündogan, who'll hopefully play football again next season and regain that unbelievable form he had prior to his injury. At the top of his game, he is just as good as Kroos is IMHO, a brilliant midfielder.

Have to give Khedira and Bastian credit for yesterday though, both played very well. It was Khedira's best match ever in a Germany shirt I thought.

Axeslammer wrote:
Antarion wrote:But Kroos is the future.

Not anymore : Madrid is a graveyard for talent...

Was talking for Bayern of course. They need him more than Schweinsteiger sooner than later. I rate Gündogan as high as you, but he plays for Dortmund. (When he plays, that is)
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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:16 am

Records broken in yesterday's match:

German view:

- Klose all time WC top scorer (16th goal)
- first German win against Brazil on Brazilian soil ever
- highest win in the WC after the 8-0 thrashing against Saudi Arabia in 2002
- highest ever win in a WC semi final (so far: Germany - Austria 6-1 (1954)
- highest ever half time lead in German WC history (4-0 vs. Saudi Arabia in 2002 so far)
- Germany have now scored 223 WC goals and overtaken Brazil (221 WC goals)


Brazilian view:

- highest ever defeat of the Brazilian national team since the 0-6 thrashing against Uruguay in 1920
- highest ever defeat of a WC host in general (before: 2:5 defeat of Sweden in the 1958 WC final by Brazil and the 1:4 spanking of Mexico in 1970 by Italy)
- first defeat of Scolari in charge of the Brazilian national team in his 13th WC match
- Brazil have never conceded 7 goals in a WC before (6:5 vs. Poland in the 1/8 finals of 1938)
- first loss of a competitive match on home soil since 1975 (1:3 vs. Peru in the Copa America semi-finals, again in Belo Horizonte)

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/wm/newspage_919196.html


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Post by blutgraetsche on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:18 am

Antarion wrote:
Was talking for Bayern of course. They need him more than Schweinsteiger sooner than later. I rate Gündogan as high as you, but he plays for Dortmund. (When he plays, that is)

Ah, I thought you had Germany in mind, too. I think Pep totally believes in Thiago and wants to build the team around him. Still think that it was an unbelievably stupid thing to do, as both are rather different players and Bayern will find out soon enough what they will be missing. A sackable offence really.
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Post by Antarion on Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:31 am

Feel sorry but Mertesacker'S statement after the algeria game made me smile now:

„Glauben Sie, unter den letzten 16 gibt es eine Karnevalstruppe?“

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Post by bluenine on Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:00 pm

blutgraetsche wrote:Records broken in yesterday's match:

German view:

- Klose all time WC top scorer (16th goal)
- first German win against Brazil on Brazilian soil ever
- highest win in the WC after the 8-0 thrashing against Saudi Arabia in 2002
- highest ever win in a WC semi final (so far: Germany - Austria 6-1 (1954)
- highest ever half time lead in German WC history (4-0 vs. Saudi Arabia in 2002 so far)
- Germany have now scored 223 WC goals and overtaken Brazil (221 WC goals)


Brazilian view:

- highest ever defeat of the Brazilian national team since the 0-6 thrashing against Uruguay in 1920
- highest ever defeat of a WC host in general (before: 2:5 defeat of Sweden in the 1958 WC final by Brazil and the 1:4 spanking of Mexico in 1970 by Italy)
- first defeat of Scolari in charge of the Brazilian national team in his 13th WC match
- Brazil have never conceded 7 goals in a WC before (6:5 vs. Poland in the 1/8 finals of 1938)
- first loss of a competitive match on home soil since 1975 (1:3 vs. Peru in the Copa America semi-finals, again in Belo Horizonte)

http://www.sport1.de/de/fussball/wm/newspage_919196.html

Let me add a stat that I find more impressive than most records:

Thomas Muller at World Cup competitions: 12 games, 10 goals, 6 assists. #Respect

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