Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

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Luis

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Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:20 pm

Squad
1. Jones
2. Johnson
3. Enrique
4. Toure
5. Agger
6. Lovren
8. Gerrard
9. Lambert
10. Coutinho
11. Assaidi
14. Henderson
15. Sturridge
16. Coates
17. Sakho
18. Moreno
20. Lallana
21. Lucas
22. Mignolet
23. Can
24. Allen
25. Reina
26. Ilori
29. Borini
30. Suso
31. Sterling
33. Ibe
35. Coady
36. Yesil
37. Skrtel
38. Flanagan
43. McLaughlin
44. Smith
46. Rossiter
47. Wisdom
48. Sinclair
49. Robinson
50. Markovic
51. Jones
52. Ward
53. Teixeira


Transfers in:

Emre Can (Bayer Leverkusen)
Rickie Lambert (Southampton)
Adam Lallana (Southampton)
Lazar Markovic (Benfica)
Dejan Lovren (Southampton)
Javier Manquillo (Atletico LOAN)
Divock Origi (Lille)
Alberto Moreno (Sevilla)
Mario Balotelli (AC Milan)



Transfers out:

Luis Suarez (Barcelona)
Iago Aspas (Sevilla LOAN)
Andre Wisdom (West Brom LOAN)
Luis Alberto (LOAN)
Pepe Reina (Bayern Munich)
Martin Kelly (Crystal Palace)
Daniel Agger (Brondby)
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Wed - 16 Brndby A 17:00



Sat - 19 Preston A 15:00



Thu - 24 Roma N 0:30



Sun - 27 Olympiacos N 23:00



Wed - 30 Man City N 23:59




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Luis

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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:23 pm

Possible transfer targets this week:

Lovren
Bony
Markovic
Bertrand
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by debaser on Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:44 pm

got a big enough squad there?
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Luis

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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:03 pm

debaser wrote:got a big enough squad there?

When you look at it closely a lot of them are kids or players who will be on their way out shortly (Aspas, Assaidi, Borini?, Reina, Agger?)
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Jaime on Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:30 pm

Luis Alberto is already gone to Malaga, no?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:35 pm

On loan.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:40 pm

@Johnruddy86: Got to be in for a cut of the Suarez deal surely?!

Smiley
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by bluenine on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:07 pm

What beats me is why didn't Liverpool put their foot down for a Suarez - Sanchez+40m swap? Barca would have got the same money, Sanchez might have agreed if Liverpool threw more money at him than Arsenal, and you guys might have ended up with a player who might be even more suitable partner to Sturridge than Suarez.

Sanchez is awesome, and we will have to watch out for Arsenal finally winning the title.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by debaser on Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:14 pm

bluenine wrote:What beats me is why didn't Liverpool put their foot down for a Suarez - Sanchez+40m swap? Barca would have got the same money, Sanchez might have agreed if Liverpool threw more money at him than Arsenal, and you guys might have ended up with a player who might be even more suitable partner to Sturridge than Suarez.

Sanchez is awesome, and we will have to watch out for Arsenal finally winning the title.

i'd imagine it's a mixture of Liverpool being delighted someone willing to pay 75m for their toxic waste & the fact part exchange makes any deal much more complicated (esp if the player involved would rather go somewhere else).
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by christmasborocooper on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:26 pm

Maybe Sanchez just flat out refused to go to Liverpool?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:58 am

debaser wrote:
bluenine wrote:What beats me is why didn't Liverpool put their foot down for a Suarez - Sanchez+40m swap? Barca would have got the same money, Sanchez might have agreed if Liverpool threw more money at him than Arsenal, and you guys might have ended up with a player who might be even more suitable partner to Sturridge than Suarez.

Sanchez is awesome, and we will have to watch out for Arsenal finally winning the title.

i'd imagine it's a mixture of Liverpool being delighted someone willing to pay 75m for their toxic waste & the fact part exchange makes any deal much more complicated (esp if the player involved would rather go somewhere else).

Nobody is delighted we have sold the third best player in the world

Ultimately the decision was with Sanchez, if he says he doesn't want to ya for you what it the point in being difficult with it ?

We'll have to see how good Markovic is instead
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:21 am

COTR wrote:Nobody is delighted we have sold the third best player in the world

Is this his official title?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:32 am

Markovic looks set to become our 4th signing of this summer - he's in Liverpool for a medical.

25 million for a 20 year old from an average quality league is a big risk but Rodgers obviously sees something good in him.

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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:21 pm

Luis wrote:Markovic looks set to become our 4th signing of this summer - he's in Liverpool for a medical.

25 million for a 20 year old from an average quality league is a big risk but Rodgers obviously sees something good in him.


Benfica are a better team than us and he starts for them. Interesting way to look at things Luis. He has just won his 4th league title in a row

He is rapid so having him and Sterling either side of Coutinho and Lallana should fun. We won't lose our counter threat with Suarez gone.

Still need a major signing up front. These Bony and Origi linke worry me. No work horses please Brendan.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:48 pm

Bony is a workhorse?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:54 pm

Kimbo wrote:Bony is a workhorse?

Was going to go with donkey but thought that was taking it a bit far !!

Not the profile of player I want to see taking over from Suarez. We already Lambert to fulfil the 'other option' slot.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Rosicky on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:01 pm

Liverpool are doing a Spurs this summer then. And we all know how that worked out.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:17 pm

COTR wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Bony is a workhorse?

Was going to go with donkey but thought that was taking it a bit far !!

Not the profile of player I want to see taking over from Suarez. We already Lambert to fulfil the 'other option' slot.

Do you think all target men are just workhorses?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:43 pm

Kimbo wrote:
COTR wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Bony is a workhorse?

Was going to go with donkey but thought that was taking it a bit far !!

Not the profile of player I want to see taking over from Suarez. We already Lambert to fulfil the 'other option' slot.

Do you think all target men are just workhorses?

I believe I mentioned Bony and Origi in my post above. I know you agree on Origi as you said it yourself in another thread, so assume you are a big fan of Bony. Good for you ok

I'd prefer a Suarez type to take over from him as it should work better in our system. Quick, skilful, good movement. Don't believe Bony fits these criteria.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by COTR on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:45 pm

Rosicky wrote:Liverpool are doing a Spurs this summer then. And we all know how that worked out.

The only thing I see in common is we both sold our star man for a lot of money.

What other similarities are there between the two situations so far ?
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:52 pm

COTR wrote:
Luis wrote:Markovic looks set to become our 4th signing of this summer - he's in Liverpool for a medical.

25 million for a 20 year old from an average quality league is a big risk but Rodgers obviously sees something good in him.


Benfica are a better team than us and he starts for them. Interesting way to look at things Luis. He has just won his 4th league title in a row

He is rapid so having him and Sterling either side of Coutinho and Lallana should fun. We won't lose our counter threat with Suarez gone.

Still need a major signing up front. These Bony and Origi linke worry me. No work horses please Brendan.

Put Benfica in the Premier League and see how many titles they'd win.

Pace is fine. Pennant, Babel and Cisse all had pace. 25 million I'm expecting a very good player.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:08 pm

COTR wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
COTR wrote:
Kimbo wrote:Bony is a workhorse?

Was going to go with donkey but thought that was taking it a bit far !!

Not the profile of player I want to see taking over from Suarez. We already Lambert to fulfil the 'other option' slot.

Do you think all target men are just workhorses?

I believe I mentioned Bony and Origi in my post above. I know you agree on Origi as you said it yourself in another thread, so assume you are a big fan of Bony. Good for you ok

I'd prefer a Suarez type to take over from him as it should work better in our system. Quick, skilful, good movement. Don't believe Bony fits these criteria.

I think Bony is good technically, definitely not just a workhorse. I like target men though and Bony is probably the best in the league at the moment.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Deluded F*ck™ on Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:34 pm

Bony is Yakubu with more power and less finesse not great going into the channels though, he's slow for a black guy.

Can bang a ball from anywhere though and is decent enough technically. Also there's the AFCON this season so I wouldn't buy him.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:04 pm

Bony is decent technically, good in the air but nowt special.

Swansea are a brilliantly run club - they will get between 15m and 20m having already replaced him with a superior player on a free.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Isco Benny on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:11 pm

Rosicky wrote:Liverpool are doing a Spurs this summer then. And we all know how that worked out.

You do realise Liverpool have spent large amounts of money shortly after selling their star man before we ever did (Sold Torres, bought Carroll, Henderson, Downing, Suarez, Adam). Liverpool are doing a Liverpool.

I'm still somewhat amused hear the popular modus operandi is that Spurs' strategy was a complete flop. It didnt work short term, but then we had Arry Redknapp patching up our squad with the likes of Ryan Nelsen and Louis Saha at a time when we should have been building long term.

Sure, we have probably signed a few duds out of that lot (Chadli looks garbage), but just like Liverpool did with Suarez and Henderson, the reaps of the harvest will spring through with time (Eriksen, Chiriches, Capoue, possibly Lamela).

In terms of Liverpools current investments, I think theyre doing more than okay, mixing premier league experience with riskier foreign talents. Surprised though no additions to a dodgy looking defence, or someone to replace Gerrard in the long run. Even when Suarez was out they looked good going forward, so a like for like replacement is probably both highly unlikely and unnecessary anyway.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Luis on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:24 pm

I'm not Bony's biggest fan by any means but his goals ratio is pretty good. He was scoring nearly every game in Holland and inevitably he wasn't going to get as many goals in his first season here (especially at Swansea) but he still had a pretty decent goals to games ratio for them. Suarez wasn't as prolific during his first season as he had been for Ajax either.

Nearly every name is going to be disappointing in comparison to Suarez; Sanchez would have been ideal - he's a big name, he scores goals, he's got great skill and he's quick. That failed. We have to move on.

If we didn't sign Lambert I could see why we would be in for Bony - I struggle to see how Bony can replace Suarez in our system though - I don't see him as a false number 9. He is of course a target man - perhaps if he was to play with Markovic and Sterling it could work well but then where does Sturridge fit into that?

We need to either maximise goals from anywhere possible next season which Lambert and Bony could well do or we need to tighten up the defence to allow a much lesser goals tally still be enough for a title challenge. At the moment it looks like we're going with option A.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:25 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bony is decent technically, good in the air but nowt special.

Swansea are a brilliantly run club - they will get between 15m and 20m having already replaced him with a superior player on a free.

Gomis????
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:41 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bony is decent technically, good in the air but nowt special.

Swansea are a brilliantly run club - they will get between 15m and 20m having already replaced him with a superior player on a free.

Gomis????

Yes.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Kimbo on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:29 pm

Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bony is decent technically, good in the air but nowt special.

Swansea are a brilliantly run club - they will get between 15m and 20m having already replaced him with a superior player on a free.

Gomis????

Yes.

What's so good about Gomis? We've been linked with him for years and he has just looked like a Kenwyne Jones clone to me.
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Re: Liverpool FC 2014/2015 It's never going to be their year

Post by Pierre Littbarski on Sat Jul 12, 2014 5:40 pm

Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:
Kimbo wrote:
Pierre Littbarski wrote:Bony is decent technically, good in the air but nowt special.

Swansea are a brilliantly run club - they will get between 15m and 20m having already replaced him with a superior player on a free.

Gomis????

Yes.

What's so good about Gomis? We've been linked with him for years and he has just looked like a Kenwyne Jones clone to me.

He can score some very nice deft-touch goals, has decent enough skill and is an absolute beast.

He probably turned you down when he heard you were signing De Jong to play in "midfield".

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