Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by blutgraetsche on Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:31 pm

Not really, but hey, if that makes you happy. Smile
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Torrente on Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:25 am

The thing is that you don't really seem to have an argument. Raul became the CL all time top scorer at age 26 without ever being and "out and out" striker. He has scored and performed up to high standards in most important Real Madrid CL games up until 3 seasons ago. His contribution has also been much more than goals, since he has always aided in creating endless numbers of attacks. He hasn't been like RVN who pretty much stands in the 6-yard box for 90 minutes waiting for tap-ins. Raul's goals are not only numerous, but many of them have been spectacular. He's scored every type of goal that there is to be scored, and he has also done so in important games. Even if most of his goals have been in the Bernabeu, he's scored against the likes of Barca, ManU, and Juventus there in important games, including knockout rounds.

Yet, your description of Raul is "he's not crap but he's not so great". If you talk about the last 3 seasons then I agree with you. But Raul is clearly one of the best players the CL has ever seen. 3 CL titles in which he made a massive contribution says it all.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Roger Hunt on Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:36 am

Torrente wrote:
like RVN who pretty much stands in the 6-yard box for 90 minutes waiting for tap-ins.

No, RVN stands offside in the box for the first pass, then runs back on-side to get the 2nd pass for the tap-in. He's a goal-hanger but a highly mobile one.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by La Saeta Rubia on Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:35 pm

I have always liked something Valdano once said.

" Raul no es un 10 en nada, pero es un siete en todo "
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Barrilete on Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:36 pm

Well Valdano is always someone to listen when it comes to football. Have you ever read any of his books? If not, you should. his latest book...absolutely fantastic "el miedo escenico y otras hierbas"


@ Torrente

Ok mate just chill, all I said was that he wasn't crap but that he wasn't the great player you Raulistas in extremis want him to be. I can understand that your fanatism raises him above many, but maybe it's too many?...just ask to the neutrals

Anyway agree to diagree about Raul.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Torrente on Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:28 pm

I don't consider myself to be a Raulista extremist, as you put it. He was my idol when I was growing up but I have been very critical of him in the last 3 seasons, especially the last 2.

But yeah, we'll leave it there. No point to keep arguing.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Jaime on Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:07 pm

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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Torrente on Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:20 pm


That's a cool video. It's too bad they play that horrible Black Eyed Peas Song. That band keeps butchering all these classics! First the Pulp Fiction song, then "Mas Que Nada" (although in this case it's as much Sergio Mendes' fault as theirs). What song will they butcher next?
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by La Saeta Rubia on Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:49 pm

Dios will score tomorrow ...
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Post by DeLux on Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:21 pm

Torrente wrote:

That's a cool video. It's too bad they play that horrible Black Eyed Peas Song. That band keeps butchering all these classics! First the Pulp Fiction song, then "Mas Que Nada" (although in this case it's as much Sergio Mendes' fault as theirs). What song will they butcher next?

They've also done it to the Juanes song 'La Paga'
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Post by La Saeta Rubia on Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:27 pm

GOLAZO by Raul tonight, el que nunca hace nada is back .... Cool
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Post by Jaime on Sun Oct 22, 2006 11:11 pm

I know a lot of people, including myself, would like to see Robinho and Reyes on at the same time but nobody can argue that Raul is justifying his place in the team. Scoring goals and playing well. El de siempre -- EL GRAN CAPITAN!

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Post by A & K on Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:08 am

Good to see Raul play well again, especially after having being criticised for playing poorly domestically and internationaly.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Torrente on Tue Oct 24, 2006 11:05 pm

Samba De Baiano wrote:
Torrente wrote:

That's a cool video. It's too bad they play that horrible Black Eyed Peas Song. That band keeps butchering all these classics! First the Pulp Fiction song, then "Mas Que Nada" (although in this case it's as much Sergio Mendes' fault as theirs). What song will they butcher next?

They've also done it to the Juanes song 'La Paga'

Thankfully I haven't been exposed to that yet. I hope I never am.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by La Saeta Rubia on Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:03 pm

Raul to score tonight Cool
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Tom on Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:55 pm

Moo
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Post by Freddie Or Not on Wed Nov 08, 2006 7:44 pm

Raul's goalscoring record at International level is interesting. He is Spain's all time top scorer with 44 goals, but 10 of those goals came against Austria and San Marino. Another 10 are against Israel, Slovenia, Lichtenstein, Northern Ireland, Cyprus and Armenia.

Never scored versus France, Portugal, England, Argentina or Brazil...and only once against Italy (a penalty).

Furthermore his record at major tournaments is not good.

So can he really be one of the greatest?
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Post by Barrilete on Wed Nov 08, 2006 8:39 pm

Well the truth is Raul's case is just rare. as analized before, he always had a very dodgy record by scoring tons of goals against small teams at earlier stages and so(see table I posted a while ago on page 1 of this thread)...He can go half a year without scoring but the thing is that he may spend months from one goal to another but those goals are probably going to be against Atletico or Barša...it's just the way the idol from the house works...
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by pauloduarte on Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:03 am

Who cares when or against who are the goals scored???

The underlying fact is that he has scored those goals and he his the top scorer in the Champions League and the all time scorer for Spain.

Every big team striker will invariably score more goals against lesser teams than against biggest teams. That doesnt make them any worst players for that matter.

Has I have always heard from footballers, managers and critics, is usually far worst to play against a "lesser" team that defend with 11 players than against the bigger teams that open up a bit more and allow you more space. Dont we all say that once the first one goes in the flood gates will open? Well sometimes they do sometimes they dont.

If that is the case than Raul's record is even more impressive.

Raul is a fantastic Player and he deserves praise for what he has achieved. Furthermore he has been consistently playing in Madrid's first team for what, 10 years?
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by ─ on Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:31 am

now the good lad plays for Schalke under Magath

and yesterday , he hit the net TWICE against Tel Aviv

Raul is on 70 CL goals at the moment

which means , he holds the record in the history of the competition ahead of Inzaghi

he has now also overtaken Gerd MŘller , who held the record for the old Europapokal der Landesmeister competition

Ale

since Schalke will WIN the CL this year, Raul still has MANY games left to extend his lead

and the truth is

it could not happen to a nicer chap

Ale

PS

Jurado's goal was not too shabby either

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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Jaime on Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:43 pm

Ale
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Post by ─ on Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:10 pm

is there any coverage of Raul's exploits in the Spanish media or have they lost interest now that he plays in the Bundesliga ?
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Post by Jaime on Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:11 pm

Marca usually have some update (so far mostly not too encouraging) of how things are going with Schalke because of Raul.
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by ─ on Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:01 pm

Raul will do well in the Bundesliga

I am sure of that

but he needs time to adjust

Magath will give him that time

at the moment Huntelaar is the one scoring most goals, which means Raul does the support work

but the balance with change over time

I just want Schalke to play in Europe next season as well, which means they have to get their act together soon, I suppose

let's hope those two goals will open the floodgates for Raul

Ale

but first, Schalke have to sort out their defence
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by Hlebagone on Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:49 pm

So Huntelaars gonna start doing support work. Yikes
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Post by ─ on Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:27 am

Hlebagone wrote:So Huntelaars gonna start doing support work. Yikes

sure

I have great faith in the superior intelligence and wisdom of our Dutch friends

Whistle

Raul now tells us that he feels 5 years younger under Magath due to the very extensive fitness training

+

playing regular football is also rejuvenating, he feels

http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/schalke/2010/10/22/raul/felix-magath-hat-mich-fuenf-jahre-juenger-gemacht.html

(in German)

I REALLY hope for a Schalke win this weekend

they need momentum

Ale
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by ─ on Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:45 am

Schalke beat St Pauli 3:0

Raul scores 2 Ale

let's hope this is yet another turning point Whistle

Huntelaar has to shut up though

he recently criticised Raul PUBLICLY for dropping too deep and not creating enough space in the penalty area

may/or may not be true, but , please, do it PRIVATELY Grr
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Post by Cheb Hamouda on Sat Nov 06, 2010 11:52 am

and... inzaghi has the record back to him, more than raul and gerd muller
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Re: Raul (El que nunca hace nada)

Post by ─ on Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:00 pm

Cheb Hamouda wrote:and... inzaghi has the record back to him, more than raul and gerd muller

VERY annoying

Raul is a TOP BLOKE

Inzaghi is a c**t

one more reason to support Schalke in the CL

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Post by Cheb Hamouda on Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:04 pm

What did he do to be called a c**t?

you have to admire him, hes 37 and with the same spirit as a player coming from the youth ranks.

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