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    Football 365's Winners and Losers

    Post by L r d on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:47 am

    Winners

    Chelski
    Even now it feels probable that, in five months' time, Chelski will fondly recall this weekend as the turning point in the title race.


    John Terry
    As John Terry noted on Tuesday, Manchester United have been "lucky with injuries this season", and Sir Fergie was, once again, able to field his first-choice team at West Ham.

    But Terry neglected to mention Chelski's own continued good fortune with injuries before inadvertently providing a reminder on Sunday by succumbing to a back problem. Perhaps undone by unfamiliarity, the champions badly missed their leader, with the erratic Khalid Boulahrouz proving a less-than-able deputy. Barring two tremendous late strikes in the last ten minutes, the Blues would have dropped significant points as a direct consequence of his absence.

    The lack of squad depth is the obvious flaw in ManYoo's title aspirations, but, for the first time in Jose Mourinho's reign, questions are being asked of Chelski's squad and answered unconvincingly.

    Despite the avowed commitment to build a squad in which two players would contest every position, the citing of nine untouchables confirmed that the policy had been discarded. It would be stretching a point to claim that Mourinho is as dependent upon his chosen few as Fergie undoubtedly is. However, against Newcastle on Wednesday, a reshuffled Chelski team including five squad players struggled and it required the introduction of Didier Drogba for the match to be won. Just one injury on Sunday meant that a similar tale occurred at Goodison.

    The champions have been lucky with injuries this season - of the eight outfield untouchables only Michael Ballack has been seriously affected, although Joe Cole has missed most of the campaign - and, in so much as a strength can be a weakness, perhaps too lucky.

    Chelski have become so reliant on their untouchables that any absence becomes a severe jolt to their system. Judging by Boulahrouz's contribution at Goodison, Terry's lengthy truancy would be significantly damaging. The same applies to Drogba. And the question of how Chelski would cope without Frank Lampard is a six-year unsolved mystery.

    Yet with eight games to be played over 23 days before January 2, Mourinho has no option but to look beyond his chosen few and discover just how strong his squad actually is. He knows already that he urgently needs his captain back.


    West Ham United
    Dullards with an inflated impression of their own cleverness will ask how the Hammers can beat both Arsenal and ManYoo and still be bottom of the table. The answer is simple: Football is not an exact science and it is surprisingly common for teams to earn more than they deserve.


    Sheffield United
    Making the very most of the little they have. The Blades have only scored three goals on their travels this term yet each has been sufficient to earn victory.

    What they lack in craft, they have, so far at least, compensated with graft. "Apart from maybe Phil Jagielka and Paddy Kenny," admitted Warnock, "you wouldn't find many people outside of Sheffield who could name any of our players yet they are in the Premiership and having a good go at staying there."

    The Hammers' surprise win blunted the Blades' weekend, however.


    Tottenham
    In a tale of the unexpected, Spurs' first away win in the Premiership since April ended Citeh's unbeaten home record this season.


    Glen Johnson
    Performing well enough at Pompey to suggest that he could return to Chelski next season as a solution to their problem at right-back.


    Liverpool
    Be wary of awarding Liverpool excessive praise as Charlton were hopelessly inept. Nonetheless, Pool are recovering, unbeaten in six domestic matches and winning their last three Premiership encounters by a cumulative score of 11-0.


    Emmanuel Adebayor
    Arsene Wenger has made plenty of mistakes this season but it is unfair to criticise the surprise inclusion of Jeremie Aliadiere against Pompey in order to rest Adebayor. For baffling ineptitude, it certainly didn't match the catastrophical selection of the woeful Alex Song and error-prone Philippe Senderos last month at Fulham.

    After four successive games as a hard-running lone frontman in the previous two weeks, Adebayor required rest ahead of another busy week.

    "I'm not completely sure he would have stopped the goals we conceded," Wenger noted drily afterwards. Moreover, had Robin Van Persie, whose profligacy is beginning to exasperate, accepted any of four clear opportunities then Adebayor's leave would have been irrelevant.


    Jussi Jaaskelainen
    If only F365's Adam Fraser were not an Aston Villa supporter he could have gleaned satisfaction from championing the Bolton keeper in our Premiership under-rated series this week.


    Losers

    Jose Mourinho
    It is just as well that only Jose Mourinho could still dominate the backpages after such an enthralling day of drama because the Chelski manager's entertainment value has long since given way to unacceptable boorishness. His lack of class and paranoid ravings are the primary reason why his club will remain widely detested outside of west London regardless of their on-field activities.

    Mourinho's latest encounter with baloney was his entirely unnecessary decision to devote his post-match comments to the denouncement of Andy Johnson. No matter that replays of the cited "dive" during the first-half told a different tale. It mattered not a jot because Mourinho does not care for reality and didn't even accept David Moyes' invitation to study a re-run of the incident before slandering the striker. When his interpretation of events was questioned by a gentleman of the press, Mourinho sneered "You are Johnson's friend, no?" in response.

    Such a confrontation is rare. It has become the norm for the media to present a manager's delusions as gospel. This week, Sir Alex Ferguson was permitted to announce without rebuke that "Chelsea's level at the moment is better than it has been over the past two years." Not true; at the same stage last season, Chelski's points haul was superior by seven points. The Fourth Estate would regain a measure of credibilty if it began to challenge such statements rather than repeating them as fact like subservient lap-dogs.


    Tim Howard
    Not a week for the American to remember with any pride, although Didier Drogba's effort was a mere tap-in compared to the 45-yard thunderbolt smacked over the Everton keeper's head by Pompey's Matt Taylor last Saturday.


    Arsenal
    It cannot be a simple unfortunate quirk of fate that Arsenal players suffer so many muscle injuries, miss so many chances, and defend set-pieces so slackly.


    Manuel Fernandes
    Omitted against Arsenal because the terms of his loan deal from Benfica includes a stipulation that a ?12m transfer would automatically be triggered if he plays in three successive Premiership matches for Pompey. It's a bizarre business.


    Wigan
    The 16,322 fans populating the JJB Stadium weren't quite out-numbered by the empty seats around them but it was a good fight.

    The attendance was a new weekend low for Wigan and reduced their overall average to 17,401, a fall of 3,000 compared to last season.

    A common misconception is that the lack of interest can be solely attributed to Wigan being a 'rugby town'. It must be factor, yet the average attendance at the JJB for Wigan Warriors matches in 2006 is 14,464, and even that represents an increase of 30% compared to 2002 and 2003. Perhaps it is simply a case that, with a clutch of Premiership peers in the immediate vicinity, a town recorded in the 2001 census as being home to 81,203 inhabitants simply isn't big enough to justify a 25,000 all-seater stadium.

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    Re: Football 365's Winners and Losers

    Post by Saintsar on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:50 am

    Where are Man U? Surely they should be in the losers section.

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    Post by L r d on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:51 am

    santagoingmarching wrote:Where are Man U? Surely they should be in the losers section.


    Press favouritism again Saints. United have the media in their back-pocket Wink

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    Post by Tweesus on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:53 am

    Did anyone else notice Howard's 'clicking' atfer he conceded the first goal?

    Its the first time I've properly noticed his tourettes...

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    If Sheffield Utd stay up I may well shed a tear

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    The Manuel Fernandez thing does seem very bizarre, i can olny assume its to prevent him from aggrevating the injury.

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    Mourinho = twat.

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    Post by COTR on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:53 am

    just shocked we finally made it into the winners after thrashing the third team in a row although it is reluctant praise

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    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:23 am

    This really is astonishingly biased.

    Chelski and us in winners but damned with faint praise.

    Man U in the winners every week forever but conveniently missed out this week (and their opponents dismissed as lucky).

    In future weeks this should go in the Man U thread.

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    Post by L r d on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:28 am

    I don't know what you're talking about Roger. I'm informed by the oh-so-reliable Poiuy that the entire British media is pro-Liverpool.

    I wonder what it'd take for Boro, Fulham, Blackburn or Reading to make their way into there.

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:33 am

    We'd only get in for 3 things.

    Shit attendance
    Defeat by a low club
    If we beat one of the big 3...convincingly

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    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:36 am

    cooperclaus wrote:If we beat one of the big 3...convincingly


    Shocked

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:37 am

    Roger_Hunt wrote:
    cooperclaus wrote:If we beat one of the big 3...convincingly


    Shocked


    which bit shocked you...the 3 or the big? Razz

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    Post by Rez on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:01 pm

    We didnt play that badly, we were very unlucky to loose. as for United being media darlings did you read the papers over the summer, doom and gloom, the end of an era, united to finish fith , Liverpool to win the league, C.Ronaldo being castigated by the press, the same way every united player does when England loose.

    Alot of the article is right:

    Charlton made Liverpool look like the great Real Madrid team, when they clearly are not, I think there probably pissed off cause they backed you at the beginning of the season and its back fired so far.

    Chelsea have been lucky with injuries and they looked vulnerable without Terry and if Drogba or Lampard got injured they would struggle. Mourinho was his usual hypocritcal self.

    Your right about the smaller teams not getting coverage, but like all media, they try to appeal to the biggest audiences, which in this case is the fans of big clubs.

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    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:03 pm

    Do you not count Man U in your big 3 because you usually beat them and it's therefore not newsworthy?

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:06 pm

    Roger_Hunt wrote:Do you not count Man U in your big 3 because you usually beat them and it's therefore not newsworthy?


    Man U would be in them yeah...we'd get in if we beat them im sure.

    I didnt say otherwise did I? scratch

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    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:12 pm

    No just not sure why it's a big 3 not a big 4 when it's tended to be the same 4 teams in the CL for 3 years now.

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:14 pm

    So it was the the 3 that shocked you then...

    was just a typo Rog Wink

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    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:17 pm

    Laugh

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    Post by Sheffield gunner on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:19 pm

    Surely Adebayor should be in the winners section because he changed the game and is in good form. He seems to be in the winners section to highlight Wenger's mistakes, van Persie's missed chances and because he will need a rest at some point. I'm not sure their reasons praise him at all.

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    Post by Sampdoria Hammer on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:35 pm

    So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

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    Post by DD on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:49 pm

    I knew this was coming for Khalid.
    God forbid you have to deputise for John Terry. It was always going to be a lose-lose situation, if he did well he didn't do anything as good as Terry and if he made mistakes or was unconvincing people would highlight it even worse than they did with Rio's dopey moments, only to justify and validate John "heavensent for the English" Terry.
    He made one mistake (the pen) but a couple of class saves I'd like to see Tezza do, but got the rough end of the stick again.

    erratic Rolling Eyes


    I know who I want in my team.


    Good luck to anyone having to "replace" Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard in the future. If you play in the same team you won't get the praise, and if you have to deputise this is what you'll get.

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    Post by Mistletoe. on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:55 pm

    Tinseldum wrote:
    The Manuel Fernandez thing does seem very bizarre, i can olny assume its to prevent him from aggrevating the injury.


    The agreement was made because of his injury problem. Portsmouth were originally to sign him, but he failed the medical because of a small problem, from which he was in the process of recovering. So, a loan deal was arranged until the end of the season, but, if he was to play 3 EPL games in succession, the deal would be made permanent, in Janruary, or at the end of the season.
    So, because the owner doesn't wish to pay the amount in Janruary, Redknapp was informed that he couldn't pick Fernandes for the game against Arsenal.

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    Post by DD on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:56 pm

    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

    That's a nasty dig really. Its like saying Boro doesn't deserve to win from the top 4, yet they do regulary every season.
    Give praise where its due.

    This weekend only really showed that while United is in front, plays the best football currently and is arguably the best gelled first XI, they can't grind out the results in the same manner Chelsea does. If Chelsea doesn't play well, they still win. When United doesn't play well, they are less convincing in getting a result.
    The same highrolling United of this season also managed to lose against Copenhagen, Celtic, Southend and the relegation battling WestHam now.

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    Post by Saintsar on Mon Dec 18, 2006 12:59 pm

    The Celtic game is hardly a bad loss, given the other teams that have gone there and lost in recent years.

    Note: the scores against Celtic, Arsenal, West Ham and Copenhagen were all 1-0...

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    Post by Sampdoria Hammer on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:02 pm

    DD wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

    That's a nasty dig really. Its like saying Boro doesn't deserve to win from the top 4, yet they do regulary every season.
    Give praise where its due.

    This weekend only really showed that while United is in front, plays the best football currently and is arguably the best gelled first XI, they can't grind out the results in the same manner Chelsea does. If Chelsea doesn't play well, they still win. When United doesn't play well, they are less convincing in getting a result.
    The same highrolling United of this season also managed to lose against Copenhagen, Celtic, Southend and the relegation battling WestHam now.


    yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:04 pm

    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:
    DD wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

    That's a nasty dig really. Its like saying Boro doesn't deserve to win from the top 4, yet they do regulary every season.
    Give praise where its due.

    This weekend only really showed that while United is in front, plays the best football currently and is arguably the best gelled first XI, they can't grind out the results in the same manner Chelsea does. If Chelsea doesn't play well, they still win. When United doesn't play well, they are less convincing in getting a result.
    The same highrolling United of this season also managed to lose against Copenhagen, Celtic, Southend and the relegation battling WestHam now.


    yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!


    As should we...really. FA Cup semi finalists and UEFA Cup finalists, the majoirty of them.

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    Post by L r d on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:05 pm

    DD wrote:
    Good luck to anyone having to "replace" Wayne Rooney, Steven Gerrard or Frank Lampard in the future. If you play in the same team you won't get the praise, and if you have to deputise this is what you'll get.



    Re: Alonso's weekend performance.

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    Re: Football 365's Winners and Losers

    Post by Roger Hunt on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:05 pm

    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote: yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!


    No offence mate, but Leeds and Birmingham would've said the same thing, and I thought it last time you got relegated (Why couldn't you have put Everton down instead Grr ). I'm a great believer that the table doesn't lie at the end of the season. It's about results not potential.

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    Post by Sampdoria Hammer on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:06 pm

    cooperclaus wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:
    DD wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

    That's a nasty dig really. Its like saying Boro doesn't deserve to win from the top 4, yet they do regulary every season.
    Give praise where its due.

    This weekend only really showed that while United is in front, plays the best football currently and is arguably the best gelled first XI, they can't grind out the results in the same manner Chelsea does. If Chelsea doesn't play well, they still win. When United doesn't play well, they are less convincing in getting a result.
    The same highrolling United of this season also managed to lose against Copenhagen, Celtic, Southend and the relegation battling WestHam now.


    yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!


    As should we...really. FA Cup semi finalists and UEFA Cup finalists, the majoirty of them.


    Yup..and yet we are the teams in 17th and 18th....I think both of us will turn it around anyway...and the likes of Wigan,Fulham,Man City ad Blackburn will get drawn into the danger more

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    Post by Sampdoria Hammer on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:07 pm

    Roger_Hunt wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote: yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!


    No offence mate, but Leeds and Birmingham would've said the same thing, and I thought it last time you got relegated (Why couldn't you have put Everton down instead Grr ). I'm a great believer that the table doesn't lie at the end of the season. It's about results not potential.


    yeah and I'd agree...But at the moment we are only half way through (1 game less) so theres plenty of time for a turn around...If we finish in the bottom 3 then we dont deserve to be in the premiership....

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    Post by christmasborocooper on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:07 pm

    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:
    cooperclaus wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:
    DD wrote:
    Deaņo-WHUFC wrote:So Mourinho is a loser for Chelsea winning and Man Utd losing.

    Nice to see they put us in the winners section with a dig against us again scratch

    That's a nasty dig really. Its like saying Boro doesn't deserve to win from the top 4, yet they do regulary every season.
    Give praise where its due.

    This weekend only really showed that while United is in front, plays the best football currently and is arguably the best gelled first XI, they can't grind out the results in the same manner Chelsea does. If Chelsea doesn't play well, they still win. When United doesn't play well, they are less convincing in getting a result.
    The same highrolling United of this season also managed to lose against Copenhagen, Celtic, Southend and the relegation battling WestHam now.


    yeah but to be fair the players we have..we shouldnt be where we are..OK currently we have been playing poor and the league table doesnt lie etc..BUT we arerent like the other teams down there...we should be challenging in the top 10 again!


    As should we...really. FA Cup semi finalists and UEFA Cup finalists, the majoirty of them.


    Yup..and yet we are the teams in 17th and 18th....I think both of us will turn it around anyway...and the likes of Wigan,Fulham,Man City ad Blackburn will get drawn into the danger more


    I hope so...im still worried though. If we don't get something from Fulham tonight i'll be even worse. I can see Charlton beating us aswell...cos thats what always happens to us.

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    Post by Sampdoria Hammer on Mon Dec 18, 2006 1:11 pm

    Charlton and Watford are fucked IMO...both are about 6 points from safety already and None of them have a squad good enough...

    Im not sure if you'll get much tonight as Fulham at home are a good side!

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