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the great "Sack Wenger and Schaaf !!" -Thread

Post by Ä on Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:44 pm

I am fed up with both of them

the two are quite possibly the worst INTERNATIONAL managers in the Europe right now

totally clueless abroad, mostly because they are stylistic doctrinaires who fail to understand defense and tactics; appalling motivators as well

the pressure is now on for Bremen towards the end of the season (both in Europe and the Bundesliga)

so what do they do ?

throw away the game against Barca; play badly in Vigo; play ridiculous football in Amsterdam; and leak points in the Bundesliga left , right and center

today, even Cottbus were too big for three points

Schaaf is in charge of players who raise their game when under pressure for Germany

he's lost the locker-room

Allofs should sack him NOW to still have a chance of winning the Bundesliga, for , let's face it: easier than Cottbus, it ain't gonna be

with any luck Rehagel will be happy to help out

as for Wenger: already an international laughing stock in the CL, he starts losing it in the EPL as well

SACK Wenger and Schaaf immediately

there is no other way Shocked Neutral Rolling Eyes
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Post by Dejan Savićević on Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:59 pm

Wenger? The transfer guru? You are having a laugh. Arsenal is what it is because of him.
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Post by DS on Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:15 pm

What has Schaaf done to get the sack ?
You sure you are a Bremen fan.
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Post by Ricardo Jol on Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:40 pm

Both found their waterloo in Europe against a Dutch team .... Wink
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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:52 pm

Kaká wrote:Wenger? The transfer guru? You are having a laugh. Arsenal is what it is because of him.

A team used to a reasonable level of success that has won nothing for two consecutive seasons? scratch
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Post by The Pröfessör on Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:59 pm

Waftradamus wrote:
Kaká wrote:Wenger? The transfer guru? You are having a laugh. Arsenal is what it is because of him.

A team used to a reasonable level of success that has won nothing for two consecutive seasons? scratch

ManU should have also sacked Ferguson at the end of last season after going 2-3 seasons without winning anything.... Erm
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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:05 pm

Agooner wrote:
Waftradamus wrote:
Kaká wrote:Wenger? The transfer guru? You are having a laugh. Arsenal is what it is because of him.

A team used to a reasonable level of success that has won nothing for two consecutive seasons? scratch

ManU should have also sacked Ferguson at the end of last season after going 2-3 seasons without winning anything.... Erm

Yes, but how many people were calling for his head, saying he's past it etc? Loads. Furthermore, Fergie had already won everything, and helped establish Utd as the biggest, richest club in the world, he had proven himself capable of it all.

I am amazed that arse fans are not dissatisfied with what has transpired this season, and that Wenger's job is not under pressure. ok
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Post by COTR on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:09 pm

They see the bigger picture Waft

Im equally amazed yourself and otto don't realise this

next season though may just see the arsenal fans resolve tested if this continues but I don't expect it to if wenger spends correctly in the summer
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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:15 pm

COTR wrote:They see the bigger picture Waft

Im equally amazed yourself and otto don't realise this

next season though may just see the arsenal fans resolve tested if this continues but I don't expect it to if wenger spends correctly in the summer

Have you read C.S. Lewis COTR? The Demon's dream of the man who has his affections fixed squarely in the future.

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Post by Parks lives on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:18 pm

COTR wrote:They see the bigger picture Waft

Im equally amazed yourself and otto don't realise this

next season though may just see the arsenal fans resolve tested if this continues but I don't expect it to if wenger spends correctly in the summer

Did you or did you not say Fergie could be sacked last season?

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:19 pm

COTR wrote:They see the bigger picture Waft

Im equally amazed yourself and otto don't realise this

next season though may just see the arsenal fans resolve tested if this continues but I don't expect it to if wenger spends correctly in the summer

give waft a break COTR, he doesn't get on the football boards much - poor thing's probably got a nose bleed Wink

People are going to get frustrated pretty quick if Wenger continues to deliver promising youngsters with nothing to show for it bar neat little triangles. But I'd be inclined to guess that the best of the best of Wenger's prodigy's over the next 5 years will eventually dominate Europe.

Only a fool would want rid of Wenger.
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Post by COTR on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:20 pm

Waftradamus wrote:
COTR wrote:They see the bigger picture Waft

Im equally amazed yourself and otto don't realise this

next season though may just see the arsenal fans resolve tested if this continues but I don't expect it to if wenger spends correctly in the summer

Have you read C.S. Lewis COTR? The Demon's dream of the man who has his affections fixed squarely in the future.
good things come to those who wait (sometimes)

all bias aside though waft you can hardly say arsenal are in a poor position squad wise. it won't take much to change their fortunes

I happily wrote off united's squad last year not thinking scholes would return to his present form or ronaldo could produce his one man band consistently. things can change quickly in football

who do you think would be a better fit for arsenal?



EDIT for spanky's usual one line comment


The answer to your question is YES (along with 50 percent of united fans) Laughing

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Post by Parks lives on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:23 pm

So what is the difference between Fergie last year and Wenger this year?

(I'm not saying Wenger should be sacked btw).
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Post by COTR on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:28 pm

Parks lives wrote:So what is the difference between Fergie last year and Wenger this year?

(I'm not saying Wenger should be sacked btw).
you tell me

why was old trafford nicknamed the theatre of boos last year?

why were a hell of a lot of your fans calling for fergie's head?

why did you finish bottom of an easy CL group with the 2nd richest club in europe ?


it's easy to be cocky with hindsight but at the time when we annihilated you in the FA cup, got knocked out of europe bottom of your group and were playing shit football without winning much in the previous few years the amount of discontent generated against the managers are hardly the same for arsenal and man u. This is probably waft's main point but as long as arsenal continue to play what is concieved to be good football combined with the hope from his 10 million kiddies I can't see many arsenal fans calling for his head anytime soon
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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:35 pm

Yes COTR, they are happy, so long as they are told they are pretty losers, rather than simply losers. My belief is that, for a man who studies things only in the long term, Wenger has been at arsenal too long. Do I think they can challenge for the title next season? Not at all, I think they will finish 4th.

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Post by Parks lives on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:40 pm

Waftradamus wrote:Yes COTR, they are happy, so long as they are told they are pretty losers, rather than simply losers. My belief is that, for a man who studies things only in the long term, Wenger has been at arsenal too long. Do I think they can challenge for the title next season? Not at all, I think they will finish 4th.

Exactly, it's alright saying United turned it round so can Arsenal and things can change in football.

However can you see them winning the title next season? I certainly can't.
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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:42 pm

The arsenal crest should carry the motto "There's Always Next Year".
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Post by COTR on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:43 pm

What I find funny about this thread is that otto has a go about wenger being clueless in europe and failing to understand defence and tactics and doesn't motivate


but then also has a go at benitez and mourinho at every available opportunity


just ever so slightly contradicatory Smile
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Post by COTR on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:44 pm

Parks lives wrote:
Waftradamus wrote:Yes COTR, they are happy, so long as they are told they are pretty losers, rather than simply losers. My belief is that, for a man who studies things only in the long term, Wenger has been at arsenal too long. Do I think they can challenge for the title next season? Not at all, I think they will finish 4th.

Exactly, it's alright saying United turned it round so can Arsenal and things can change in football.

However can you see them winning the title next season? I certainly can't.
yeah well a hell of a lot of people thought this about united this year


football is impossible to predict or else we would probably all be very rich

arsenal's squad is excellent as you know. it won't take much to make them into title challengers
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Post by Cesc Soler on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:45 pm

Parks lives wrote:So what is the difference between Fergie last year and Wenger this year?

(I'm not saying Wenger should be sacked btw).
I think it is pretty comparable to be honest with you.

I'm sure you read around Man Utd websites/forums for the last couple of years. You would have seen very similar comments that are being written about us at present. The accusations were almost the same. The club had gone backwards, the players brought in weren’t good enough, the formation was this or that, the manager had lost it and would never get it back.

Now fast forward 12 months you find yourselves top of the league, in the semi-finals of the FA Cup and still in the Champions League. Not bad for a manager who had lost it and must go. Were they premature in writing Ferguson off? Absolutely.

We are 100% behind Wenger, as we know things will pick up.

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Post by Parks lives on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:54 pm

& Fair play to you Cesc.

Of course you have a really talented squad and it could change next season, I don't think you'll win the title but thats just my opinion.

I just found it hypocritical of CotR to say there's no way you can write Wenger off, when he was banging on big time last season that we should sack Fergie.
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Post by Cesc Soler on Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:00 pm

Of course, I for one am not saying that we will be going for the quadruple next season or being in all the main competitions like you are in April. We just expect a marked improvement in our performances and start to look genuine contenders again for silverware. We are not here to finish 3rd or 4th each and every season from now on.

We all want success, its just we are going to have to be a patient for a little time longer. I think 85% of our squad is complete.
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Post by Hlebagone on Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:14 pm

If we finish 4th next year, then questions will start to be asked. Watching us today was pretty depressing, sure but we were without our two best strikers...how many team would be able to deal with that?

I think Wenger may hvae over indulged in his philosophy but i dont see why we cant improve next year if we buy a goal scoring midfielder and henry returns to his best. A key factor to winning the title is to win the games you should win (sorry, an obvious comment) and at his best, Henry will always score against the mid table teams. Ronaldo has been identical to that this year in terroising mid table teams. We havent had anyone like that this year which is why we are so far behind...

We do have problems, ill admit that but it doesnt mean we should sack our manager.
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Post by Dejan Savićević on Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:16 pm

^ You miss Pires and his width.
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Post by Hlebagone on Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:21 pm

Yeh... i wish we could have got rid of Ljungberg instead, even if Pires was a shadow of his former self last season. I dont think Rosicky plays much narrower than Pires but hes got one league goal so far.

Our top scoring midfielder is our defensive midfielder then a player who cant shoot and is being played out of position...
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Post by Juligen on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:04 pm


I am amazed that arse fans are not dissatisfied with what has transpired this season, and that Wenger's job is not under pressure. ok


Ok, I think that people are forgetting an important detail here, that ManU has much, much more money than Arsenal.

They have a huge stadium that is always full, Arsenal just got The Emirates now, and they are still paying.

ManU defense is bad? No problem, lets buy the “the best defender in the world” = Rio 30 £ million
Sir Fergurson liked a great argentine in Italy? More 28 £ million on Veron.
There is a new prodigy in English football; here in comes another 31 £ million. (Rooney )
Even a bargain like Ronaldo was 12 £ million.


C’mon people Arsenal doesn’t have this kind of money. Do you honestly believe that other coach could do what Wenger does with so little money?


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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:47 pm

Nonsense Juligen, arsenal is one of the richest clubs in the world. It isn't Man Utd's fault if Wenger prefers to "discover" players from other youth systems rather than pay big money for stars. What are you talking about "what Wenger does with so little money"? Rosicky, Hleb, Walcott, Adebayor, in the last couple of years, most managers can only dream of these sums to play with.

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:51 pm

Waftradamus wrote:Nonsense Juligen, arsenal is one of the richest clubs in the world. It isn't Man Utd's fault if Wenger prefers to "discover" players from other youth systems rather than pay big money for stars. What are you talking about "what Wenger does with so little money"? Rosicky, Hleb, Walcott, Adebayor, in the last couple of years, most managers can only dream of these sums to play with.

scratch

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Post by waft the hapless youth on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:53 pm

Gosh, you're boring, of course they are one of the richest clubs in the world.

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Post by Glenarch of the Glen on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:58 pm

Waftradamus wrote:Gosh, you're boring, of course they are one of the richest clubs in the world.

In what respect? Arsenal are £262m in debt

Stick to correcting people's grammar and punctuation - and start at home "arsenal is" Doh

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